This camera with just a slightly higher resolution could be used for stunning visual effects in motion pictures. Use the same set up of one camera per frame of film and you’ve got award winning stop motion cinematography! ie someone jumps in the air the shot freezes but the camera motion continues AND focuses on whatever the director want’s it to focus on in post production. YUMMY!
Tak
Would Kirlian photography be possible utilizing the Light Field Technology?
gilgamish
Is ther a waterproof housing in the works? If so, when is the release date. Just imagine what one could do under the waves.
very nice piece of technology. 3d movies that focus on viewer’s eye movement as someone suggested (imax would go nuts), combining with other lenses (e.g. dslr like, telescopes) for extra zoom, increasing the number of megarays to make it possible to save at least full-hd (1920×1080) jpeg, all-in focus. i’m imagining satellites taking pictures of space and being able to zoom and focus with lytro. wow! can’t wait to get my hands on any of the future releases
http://lytro.com/ Lytro
Thanks for sharing your excitement. We’re just at the beginning of exploring the potential of light field technology.
http://twitter.com/EfremOshinsky Efrem Oshinsky
What’s the maximum number of focal points you can fit into one picture? I’m thinking of buying a Lytro to take my company’s annual group photo, and it would be great if we could split the focus into different departments . . . we’ve got about 250 people, so I figure ideally that would be around 5-8 different focal points. Thanks!
http://lytro.com/ Lytro
When shared for online viewing, living picture file size is condensed and you will likely see 3-5 distinct views, depending on how you’ve framed the shots. Breaking the pictures up into subgroups, would be a better option. The Lytro camera is not well suited to a picture of 250 people.
PRINCE
I HAVE A PROBLE WITH MY PRINTER ON A NETWORK THAT IS NOT PRINTING BOTH FRONT BACK PAGES AUTOMATICALLY UNLESS IT IS MANUALLY SELECTED
Jian
Can I attach a lens to the lytro camera?
http://lytro.com/ Lytro
The Lytro camera has a fixed internal lens and is not designed to have lenses attached. That said, we have seen some interesting experimentation.
jad
is there anyway to get some sort on distribution agreement for the lytro ?
This first Lytro camera can not shoot video, but video is possible with light field technology.
http://lytro.com/ Lytro
This first Lytro camera can not shoot video, but video is possible with light field technology. Greater processing power is required, but we’re excited for the future possibilities.
http://www.facebook.com/hrbeta Hector Betancourt
OK guys we want a Lytro app for obvious reasons, anything on the drawing board?
Popster
I think that is impossible, the lytro uses a system of lenses that phones and tablets don’t have.
Mattias Eriksson
How many mega-pixels is it?
http://lytro.com/ Lytro
The Lytro Camera can capture 11 Megarays (the number of light rays captured by the light field sensor). If you want to print, you can save as jpg for printing at 1080 x 1080p http://lyt.ro/IjvXdg
Whitney
How do you get both the front object and the back object in focus at the same time
Lytro
Whitney, we plan to add an all-in-focus feature later this calendar year via a software update.
http://www.facebook.com/tim.sassoon Tim Sassoon
Is there any way of extracting a focus stack from the master file (other than laboriously through exporting JPEG’s at different settings), so I could process my own deep focus pix in PS? Also (and related), I’ve noticed that some pictures are very difficult to focus using the picker because the picture features are too small. Is there a slider somewhere I’m too stupid to see?
Lytro
These types of technical questions are best answered on our Support site http://support.lytro.com.
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Is it okay to insert a portion of this on my site if I post a reference point to this site?
Lytro
Please…with a link back to this post.
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I’m currently doing Kinect development with Adobe Air and would like to know if there is a Flash API available for creating interactive experiences now or in the future. Just boost the resolution and get rid of the image resolution drop off with distance and make it record video and then you have the hottest thing on the market. Great work for first release, but I’m looking forward for a more professional version for the work I do.
When I goto watch 3d films at the cinema I get really anoyed that the point of focuse in any shot has been chosen for me and i cant choose what i focus on as everything else is out of focus.
Is there any plan to link lytros up to eye tracking web cam software to allow people to choose what is in focus in a 3d film ?
Lytro
Chris, we don’t have any plans of that nature at this time, but it’s certainly an interesting idea!
Pete
Is it possible to apply a software-based polarization filter to an image that was taken with this device?
Lytro
Hey Pete, you can export to JPG and we show you how to do so here. After which you can apply any kind of filter you want.
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I love the Lytro concept, but right now it’s just a toy. As a professional photographer I see no reason why anyone but a beginner who likes snapshots would buy one.
Will Lytro be offering a camera for enthusiasts or professionals? For example, a flash mount, white balance controls, remote control shutter release, shutter speed controls.
What’s the zoom range ? Would it be suitable as a wide angle camera for indoor real estate photography ? I’m thinking about being able to take one shot of a room and let people experience every corner of the room, by zooming / focusing in on it.
Is there a raw image format so that we can take full advantage of the light field? And is the image captured as a set of discrete ‘layers’ or is it continuous? The image viewer on your website seems to suggest that the images are layered and you cannot focus on arbitrary Z-planes, only a small number of specific planes.
As soon as it’s available for Linux, I buy one!
Beautiful machine!
JP
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0.06MP
This is a joke!
Alex
I’m not sure how you came up with that number. That would be a resolution of 300×200. While it is certainly not on a par with high end current cameras for resolution, I think it works out to a bit over 1 MP. If I look at it as a conventional camera, it is non competitive. However it isn’t a conventional camera. It also is not just an excuse not to focus. It really is a new thing of its own, and will allow exploration of the image. I used to have dreams about images like this, when I was a boy. Lytros is up front, when they say it isn’t the camera for everyone. That doesn’t mean that for those whom the camera isn’t an attractive too, are any less in their vision and skills. It just means that there are some out here who can immediately see uses for such a tool. Some will like it, some won’t. Me, I’m willing to give it a shot.
Igor
It is not a comment but two questions:
1. “all in focus” , will it be just a software upgrade or I should wait for the next version of the camera?
2. Can this work in conjunction with a microscope??
Thx.
Tom King
I am also interested in using a Lytro through the microscope. I now take images with a small format camera to put usable images on the web that were taken through the eyepiece of a microscope. Because the numerical apertures are compatible, I can get good results. By using a stacking program, I can get improvement in depth of field. If the Lytro can capture various focal points, then this will be a must have camera.
JT
Or going the other direction – might be interesting to craft an adapter to use the camera as the eye piece on a telescope
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Lytro
Als, we don’t currently sell or ship to Canada.
Sean
If I purchase the camera under my account, can I still give it away as a gift and let another person use it under their account, or is the camera tied to my account?
Lytro
You can gift the camera, or share the camera, with another person and use it with multiple accounts.
raygroleau@gmail.com
I sent a request yesterday that I was trying to place an order with my priority access reservation code BVDP-RPWF and that I kept getting a message that my credit was not accepted. I know for sure that it is valid. I just wanted someone to contact me to get this straightened out. Also your web site really needs some work I can’t even find a place sign in.
Please help
Thanks Ray
Dan M
If I purchase this now, will my credit card be charged immediately or will it be charged once I get the camera?
rachel
How much is this going to cost!!??
AboT Ma
Hi
May I have one or two raw Lytro images? I need them for my research. I am a PHD student in MSU.
Thank you
Kristen
As an older photographer/enthusiast, I am wondering if this light field technology will improve my images where my eyes are starting to fail me or is some initial focus still required? I just don’t see as sharp anymore even with glasses and that is being reflected in my work. It sounds like if all light data is collected, out of focus even for people with bad eyesight is a thing of the past if I am interpreting this correctly. No more hundreds of photos being discarded. I would so love to test this.. and do you have it in macro? :)
http://www.spiritsreview.com Christopher Carlsson
Just wondering about the computer requirements for the camera software ( roughly – Do i need some gaming quad core or better processor to view and manipulate the photos?
Will the software have a Mac version ?
This site does not display properly on my iphone 4 – you might wanna try and repair that
Gilbert
it’s not working on the iPad as well
Joe
probably because it uses flash. Looks like Apple users may be out of luck?
Steve
Works fine on my iPad 2 and MacBookPro :)
Craig
Resolution seems like a real challenge for this technology. HD is fine for web, screen, and 3×5 prints, but it’s not good for cropping, zooming, and high resolution printing. Could a Lytro photo be used for the cover of Time magazine?
I’m very excited about the photo editing possibilities. Being able to apply an image effect according to light vectors is insanely cool. Imagine brightening parts of the image that are between 3 and 5 meters from the camera… Or to remove the background with one click… Even with normal 2-D editing, it’d be great to be able to use the vector information to select regions.
http://vfxpatton.blogspot.com Patton
Oh man exactly! Imagine this technology in the film world. Perfect matting everytime with a button click. Compositing images with this camera and it’s vector info would be a whole new world.
Ed Glass
Wow. Just wow. I can’t wait to see the result.
Chichi
I’d like to be a beta-tester but I live in the Philippines. Can I still join? I have folks living in the US.
William Cormier
Does it only shoot square sized pictures?
Lytro
William – Living pictures taken with the first Lytro cameras will be displayed in a square format just like those you see in the Lytro Picture Gallery.
Hank
So you’re basically asking people to not buy the camera then until a future version? Interesting strategy…
http://pasz.nl Pasz
You can crop square images to 4:3 or any aspect ratio you like.
Linda Hudak
When will the camera be available? What is the price range going to be?
Samuel
Will the camera be decent/good in astro-photography?
Sarah M.
I am so excited for this camera and cannot wait to use it for my wedding photos next year! PLEASE make it affordable for the average consumer. If it cost over a few hundred, I’m screwed. =(
Reid
There is an interesting article about this technology and the company in last week’s Economist. Here is a link:
Wider filed of focus and “all in focus” are possible with light field cameras. Those capabilities will be coming soon.
jcg
will the all/ wider field of focus capability be software-only or will i need to buy version 2 of the camera?
Ludwig Semper
i am working as an IT consultant in pharmaceutical industry
one problem is scanning histological slides… can one scan these with the lytro technology and then use the focus thing…
the concern i have is that these slide are thin and you would have to take the pictrue through a microscope would that be possible?
chestercheung
I live in Hong Kong, how should I do?
Lytro
For now, we only have plans to sell in the U.S. You may need to ask a U.S.-based friend to help you out.
Ramon Chavez, Jr.
I know you keep saying that camera will be released later this year. Just wanted to know if you think it will be out by November, close to Christmas shopping season. Also, I read the article that Toby posted about the Adobe camera/technology…. Is that technology similar to Lytro’s? Really looking forward to the release!
Alex Frediani
I beg your forgiveness in advance for duplicating anyone else’s
questions; too many to read!
ITEM 1) It might save a lot of questions if you could indicate what the Lytro’s equivalent resolution in 2D would be for those
of us thinking (yet) in conventional sensor size, pixel density,
and what we can do when we get an image into photoshop
and start working; how much enlargement possible before pixelation occurs, etc. I think of Nikon DX3 at 24 Mpix, etc.
ITEM 2) Will your lenses be utterly unique, or can any use be made of an existing series – like NIKON, Canon, etc.?
Lytro
Alex – thanks for your curiosity. We’ll have more detail when the camera goes on sale later this year. For now, we can let you know that you can save your pictures to manipulate them with Photoshop, but it will no longer be a living picture that you can refocus. And. the *first* camera will be a standalone unit without interchangeable lenses.
Dave
Ah, Thank you! for the tidbit about photoshop. That lets me know a fixed image can at least be exported and used outside of facebook or the Lytro website. Say a fixed image for my own web use. I was thinking a screen shot was the only way at first.
Justin Watts
I have an idea that might revolutionize this revolutionary idea please get in contact with me I might know of a really cool use for this type of lens other than taking pictures!
Will you support Linux for the software (to refocus) to export/save the images from the camera? Will it be published under a free license like the GPL?
http://www.meisterstuecke.biz Herbert
There are a lot of questions still open:
• Will there be a fixed lens or will they be changeable – if so, which system?
• Do I have to buy all the additional equipment again (flash, lens, filters)?
• What will be the resolution (for printing purposes)
• How big will the pictures be – how many MBs?
The technology sounds great, almost too good to be true. I am holding my breath regarding price, resolution and accessories.
Can’t wait though!
H.
Adam “Goolie” Gould
Herbert,
The first Lytro light field camera will be a standalone unit. The file size will be comparable to RAW-format. Slightly larger, but not by an order of magnitude. We’ll have more details to share when the camera goes on sale later this year.
Thanks,
–- Adam “Goolie” Gould
Support & Community Manager help@lytro.com
Herbert
Thanks for the (partial) answer.
So it will be an additional piece of equipment.
Maybe you will go into to Pro-Range at some time as well. It’s to be hoped! On the other hand that means it will be reasonably priced.
best wishes
Herbert
Marc
Megapixels?
Lytro seem to be a bit evasive on this but reading between the lines….
“Light field resolution provides better than HD quality today”
I take that to refer to common1060p HD video. That would imply that the photos are about 1300px x 1060px, or roughly 1.3Mb. To say that the image files are the same size as typical RAW files is a bit of a red herring, because rather than storing one high-resolution file, Lytro are storing 16 or so low-resolution files.
Would Lytro care to comment on that?
Lytro
More specifics will be available when the cameras go on sale later this year, but a clarification on your comments: Each picture results in one file – the size of which is slightly larger than RAW.
Jose Castillo
I can’t watch the photos on firefox 5.01 what kind of configuration must have firefox to play this photos?
http://www.lytro.com Adam “Goolie” Gould
Jose, we definitely support FF 5.0 in Mac and Windows. I note that my Windows 7 firefox 5.0 is currently up to date, but you’re on 5.01?
What OS version are you using? What exactly is the problem you’re having?
We can have this convo offline if you email me at help@lytro.com
–Adam “Goolie” Gould
Support & Community Manager goolie@lytro.com
Don Camp
Jose, are you using flashblock? I had to whitelist Lytro’s page to make the pics work.
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I am very excited about your product.
I would love to do Beta testing for yall.
We produce corporate, legal and broadcast.
ihor
does your system work with creating panoramic photographs? that is what i do (for fun).
I-) ihor
http://www.lytro.com Adam “Goolie” Gould
I assume you mean the ability to stitch together multiple images and display them as one? This won’t be available at product launch, but we’re just at the beginning of exploring light field capabilities…
–Adam “Goolie” Gould
Support & Community Manager help@lytro.com
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what an amazing camera
James Yu
Question: Was the initial focus point of each of the pictures in the picture gallery determined at the time when the picture was taken, or manually selected (refocused) afterwards? Thanks.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mycutelife/sets/72157624939707502/ Elmo Love
I know it’s a point & shoot, but please please please include a Sync port or a hot shoe so I can play with a light field full of radio-triggered strobes!
Adam “Goolie” Gould
Elmo,
No hot shoe for the initial model, sorry!
–Adam “Goolie” Gould
Support & Community Manager help@lytro.com
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I know this is advertised as a shoot now, edit later technology, but if it is going to be marketed to the general public, who generally take pictures with point-and-shoots that have everything in focus, what is the point? Most of the blurring that occurs for the general public is because of low light and slow shutter speeds, or camera shake, not out of focus pics.
Now, like the Sony NEX-C and their use of “blurred background” terminology, the Lytro tech might better be pitched as a camera to get people to take artsy photos without thinking much about it.
Also, since the camera is being touted as a low light performer, I would really like seeing some low-light images in the gallery that show off this ability.
Lytro
Sam – Focus later certainly opens up new avenues for creativity and visual story-telling – as we’ve seen with many of the pictures in our Picture Gallery and as one of our early camera users, photojournalist Koci Hernandez, has described. For casual users, the shutter lag caused by slow autofocus in point-and-shoot cameras is gone. This means you’re much more likely to get the shot you wanted. Besides focus later, light field cameras have other capabilities, including capturing pictures that can be viewed in 3D…and that is just the beginning. Several of the pictures in the gallery are indoors with low-light…but expect to see more soon
John Chaparro
Could you take some of people dancing in a club, or some environment like that? I’d be interested to see how it performs in that kind of setting
Stephen P
I’m interested to see a video version of this implemented with an eye-tracking device…. Add 3D and you’ve pretty much got content that delivers human eyesight. Doing that with HD footage has got to be a ton of data, though, and the algorithm for managing the focus so that you don’t get people sick’ll be somewhat tricky, though.
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I’ve been excited when I first read about this system invented at Stanford by Ren years ago. Since that day I’ve been waiting for the first production model to try… This is a HUGE step in the sense of photography history and technology… and not only photography, this will affect a great number of technology fields….
Great job Ren !!!
Felix Wehrli
Hi there, very innovative technology! Will it be possible to invest in your company as a privat person?
Mike
Can you have more than one axis such as a tilt lens, or is that asking too much? ;-)
Lytro
It sounds like you’re describing perspective shift. Yes – this is possible with light field technology.
http://blog.wingtangwong.com/ Wing Wong
I second the ability to do tilt/shift as a post-focus option. I would imagine that since the data can be manipulated, you could, in theory, perform arbitrary DOF manipulation, even non-planar. :) I would be interested in that.
Paul R
OK love the idea, so will the camera be a compact, any zoom and when do I get it in England? Can I get one shipped?
Lytro
Our first Lytro camera will be light weight and portable, and will be sold in the U.S. only. You’ll have to work with a U.S.-based friend to arrange purchase and shipping until we expand to more markets.
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Surely you can sell these on the international market.
Kevin
After the cameras are available for sale in the U.S. how long do you estimate it will be before they will be available in other markets (ie. Canada)?
Jaime
Tip, if available to the public a page for frequently asked questions, the idea is that the answers are also frequent.
They’ve been 10 days without responding to questions from potential clients!
Lytro
Jaime – We’ve answered the questions that have been asked by multiple people, and which we are able to answer at this time. We appreciate curiosity tempered with patience while we work to bring our first light field camera to market later this year.
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Hi there.
There is a question thats burning my mind. Will it theoretically be possible to expose images different through the Z-Axis? Will the sensor (maybe later in development) also be capable of recording the polarization?
I do action sport photography and currently one big important point is: Winning the fight against the enviroment light at sync-speed to get a crisp, fast moving object exposed by off-cam flashes the way I want, not the sun… I sadly was never able to move. ;-)
So my hope is: controlling the exposure in depth to get rid of the flashes.
The other thing is controlling the exposure by polarization to shift the light intense between light sources.
I think these things are all post-process related but with the recorded information archivable.
Im looking forward to your answer… and still so excited about your work for one of the most important things in the world: Frozen visual impressions. Several thousand years old and still evolving! Thank you!
http://blog.wingtangwong.com/ Wing Wong
Off the top of my head, I’m guessing that the camera would only record vectors and magnitude. Polarization is one of those things that can only be recorded in one state, because by polarizing light, you are filtering out everything that isn’t aligned with your filter. Unpolarized light is a mishmash of different alignments, and what is recorded is the aggregate… so no polarization/alignment data. :( Someone from Lytro can correct that, but I’m guessing that is the case.
Jasen
I work for a tv show and would like to try the camera to get a few shots to add into some of the segments. Would there be an intrest for telvivision testing?
Speaks volume about your company when the only question you grace with an answer is about giving you some free publicity on a TV show.
What about some decency and good business common sense. For you that means : answer the questions or shut down this feature on your blog.
Novel idea and innovative camera I’d love to get my hands on.
I know you’re not releasing some specific information yet (or some is still unknown), but your FAQ on MegaPixels left me wanting. It is true that most personal computer screens do not need particularly high resolution photographs to view in high quality. However, this is not true for print. The Lytro looks like it could capture some great pictures and I think if I had one, I would want to have some printed out… and hopefully something larger than 5″x7″.
I understand printing would lose the “living picture” aspect, but I hope you take into consideration many of us would like to hang our photos up on a wall (without a digital frame).
Denise
I too am wondering how large these photos will be able to be printed without loss of quality. For example, how will they compare to blow ups of photos taken with a high quality DSLR? Could we look forward to getting even up to poster size pics from this new technology?
Cheryl Vasan
I also am a fan of print. I’d love to tweak the focus and play with a “living picture” but wouldn’t buy without the ability to print easily. I wonder if there will be the ability to share a “frozen” picture, one I’ve tweaked to get it just so? Also, if it’s not Apple/iPhone/iPad compatible, it’s right out for most of my family and friends. While your website is elegant, I find it information poor as to whether I could do what I want.
Lytro
The Lytro is designed for online sharing and interaction with living pictures. Pictures can be viewed and interacted with on any internet-connected device. For those occasions when you want to print a snapshot to hang on the fridge or mail to grandma, you can save as jpg.
Trevor
Yeah, why on earth is Lytro being so elusive on this? As a professional photographer I am completely uninterested until I see an output resolution. The fact it’s not listed inclines me to believe it’s VERY low, and as such this product may just turn out to be a giant gimmick!
Lytro
The *first* Lytro camera is designed for those who want to share their pictures online, which is one of the benefits we highlight. While it will not meet the needs of those interested in large format printing, people can choose to “freeze” their pictures and save them as a jpg to make standard-size snapshots. This is just the beginning or our exploration of the potential of light field technology. Future cameras may be better aligned with your needs as a professional photographer.
Ryan
When will it become possible to invest in your company?
Jaime
Since this technology behaves in low light conditions?
Jaime
I notice that now can approach approximately 4 shots, how many planes are able to focus on the commercial camera?
Jaime
How does this type of camera with technology, with a powerful zoom:
Are you working with any underwater housing companies (Monterey based Light and Motion for example) on housings for the camera? The ability to choose a point of focus after the fact would be ideal for SCUBA pictures where the creatures underwater are always moving, albeit usually slowly. The ratio of out of focus uw pics to good pics is very high, making it a very good market for your capabilities.
Marcus
Hey there,
I just stumbled upon this concept and I’m very intrigued. I think the concept has much greater benefits for videography than photography for two reasons:
- You mention HD resolution in the FAQ. If that means you’re around 1080p you’ve got enough pixels to compete with cam corders, iphones and DSLRs resolution wise.
- The number of shots that get thrown away due to OOF problems is much greater in videography than photography. Unless you’re in a controlled environment with someone experienced with focus pull it’s almost impossible to get a high percentage usable footy. To be able to fix focus problems in post (for the average consumer fully automatically, for pros by tracking objects) would simply be amazing.
Website is very cool but I do not understand one thing:
Can I make my photoes cool on this website?
Sorry but I am Russian and do not know English:(
I am only 12… And every year at English School I brush my English.
I will translate:
Сайт очень классный но я не поняла одну вещь:Могу ли я придавать такой эффект моим фотографиям?
Извините но я Русская девочка я не знаю английского языка:(
Мне только 12 лет…И каждый год в Английской Школе я учу всё больше и больше.
Я переведу:
Lytro
Christina – The Lytro camera can’t change, or edit, pictures you’ve taken with a conventional camera. We’ll be selling our camera, that has the capabilities described on this site. in the U.S. later this year.
Andrey
Obviously this girl is somehow “fake” Russian. Why? Because no native Russian speaking that way (keeping English structured language).
Yet I am curious to put hands on the camera. When it will be available in shops?
Karsten Michael
Will it be available in Canada? More specifically will it be available in the Toronto area?
Lytro
Initially, we’ll be selling, and shipping, in the U.S. only.
http://kempton.ideasRevolution.com Kempton
Boooo, I was so excited until I read Lytro will initially only be available in US. We always share our toys with you guys, I mean, at least let you guys buy it at the same time as us. Sorry my friend, this sucks.
P.S. I was going to write about how excited I am in my blog. I already shared my excitement on Google+ but I had to amend it to say this. You know which bit was added later! “Love this (but boo to it initially available in US only), the Lytro “Shoot now, focus later” camera looks real cool.”
Lytro
Kempton – Sorry to disappoint you. But when there’s a will there’s a way…perhaps you can work with a U.S.-based friend to arrange purchase and shipping until we expand to more markets.
Colleen
So much to read through on comments and no “Contact Us” area that I see on your site–I know you might get pounded with messages. So hoping to see some kind of answer to this question:
How does the camera do with action shots?
I’m an amateur photographer that takes photos involving kids and horses as well as other animals, most of which are in motion with outdoor and indoor lighting. It seems like all the shots on this site are still shots, except the skateboarder in background on one.
As someone else commented, I’d be interested in being a beta tester if you needed any–for action shots. :)
William
Wow, nice FAQ. Had to do a double-take on the closing comment:
“Whew! The FAQ job is a hard one. You can’t cover everything or you would have to drop the ‘F’ in FAQ. Please leave additional questions in the comments and we’ll respond accordingly.”
Drop the WHAT? F’in….
Michael
You’re joking right? Making a funny?
To put it in simple English: There aren’t enough hours in the day for them to answer every single question posed to them.
So, they pick and choose the most FREQUENTLY (F) Asked Questions to be added to the official list. Otherwise, it would just be an Asked Questions list (dropping the ‘F’ off of [F]AQ).
the next will need to be an application to moving picture capture.
MJKWEE
I am a stroke survivor and it affected my right half of my body causing me to function and adapt to now being left handed. It took me several years to embark on Photography as a way to help me with my rehabilitation as the motivation to getting me out the door for my rehab walks. I am still in rehab in Palo Alto and live in Sunnyvale. I have a balance challenges and it makes focusing a challenge, the heart of your technology solution. This is why I very interested with your technology in how it can be adapted to disabled and older/senior citizen who share the same passion for Photography as me and would love to not have to deal with blurred images or focus issues.
Prior to my stroke I am was in Product development for a storage company in the valley. Is there a beta program where your company maybe examine a different camera paradigm for the disabled? Not knowing the form, fit, and functions of the camera (BTW, I signup to reserve a camera,) I am wondering if your company is willing to work with disabled, or senior citizens who have balance challenges, so that we can also benefit from such a promising technology?
I believe the creativity that photography has provided me has helped me with my rehab in several ways. First, it has made rehab a pleasure and not boring. Secondly, It got me out the door to take photographs rather than drag my feet or be defeated and I have to convince myself that a boring routine is beneficial. The trick is doing this for years on end. Thirdly, it gave me the personal photo images to work on post processing work to stimulate my brain. My hope is the third reason will hopefully establish new neurons in my brain to continue progress over extended of time. My goal is to be a contributor to my community and be more independent. If you are looking for beta sites for the disabled demographics I am willing to participate and provide firsthand feedback….Michael
MikeCG
Haven’t looked through the many posts so don’t know if this has been discussed, but I don’t recall seeing anything about prints. SO:
1. Can prints be made from Lytro images?
2. If so, can each print be made from the “currently” focused image?
3. Is, or will there be, a way to store several different copies of the same image, with different focus points? Can the focus points be “frozen,” so they can only be changed by the photographer?
Cheryl Vasan
This is what I need answered. Please do!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertseber Robert Seber
I think this would be amazing applied to macro photography where it’s very hard to get a large depth of field.
Any chance of some example macro shots?
Boris Chuprin
I’d like an answer to this question too. Current usable depth range appears to be limited and pictures are too small to judge precision of digital focusing.
I use Nvidia products to view 3D material on my computer. I also have a 3D BD player and 3D capable TV. What will be required to view Lytro pictures in 3D? Will you post any examples so we can try it out?
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This sounds incredibly cool. So far the demo images found on your site have only two or three focal planes and appear to be simulations and not actual final images. I’d be interested to actually be able to play with a genuine image and not a Flash simulation. I’m also curious as to what this process does to file sizes?
Waiting with baited breath for more info about camera models and specifications!
Annette Woodmark
Can a person buy stock in your company? I remember when there was this very small company running out of a house here in Eugene that make a revolutionary new sneaker sole and the stock prices were very reasonable then. That company was called NIKE. Your company appears to be going in the same direction and I was wondering if it were possible for someone on a fixed income to possibly get in on the ground floor by buying just a little bit of stock right now before this product takes off and I know it will. Congratulations on your wonderful new technology!
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I trust you’re gonna shop this to CANON before NIKON… Nikon didn’t do very well marketing their projection camera two years ago – which was supposed to be huge by now..
Good luck. Take it on that Sharks TV show!
Ludwig Semper
I want to integrate the lytro technology into my lab equipment. whom do i need to contact to get feedback on the my proposed implementation?
Bart
I take it this is for the average consumer and not the pro market. I did not read through all the questions but does your camera shoot RAW and what is the file size. This sounds like an interesting concept. I hope Canon comes out with something like this someday. Can you license your technology to camera manufactures. Please post a picture of your camera.
Boris Chuprin
I believe, pictures shot with this camera are actually in RAW format and always post-processed later to obtain actual 2D image.
http://nicolasrouelle.blogspot.com/ nicolas
hi, lytro team, i wonder:
- Does it work with videos?
- Can we take photos or videos in HD formats?
- Can we use your software/camera with other applications like in compositing or 3d softwares? to apply to unfocused photo or video and 3d objetcs the same wonderfull interactive focus on?
Michael
I believe the Lytro team mas said that their initial camera does not support video, currently. But it’s on the table for future models. As they say, patience is a virtue. It’s new technology and they’re doing their best to get it out into people’s hands as soon as possible.
As you say, I can’t wait for it to hit video either. Making focus and DOF considerations back-seat to creative concerns, framing, lighting, basically making the focus and DOF post-processing effects rather than principal videography decisions. A game changer if it works that way, one would think. Not having to go back and re-shoot a scene in order to get a different focus or DOF? Time savings, cost reduction, etc. :) Sounds good on paper…
Pavel
Great idea, excellent way to make life easier and high tech!
I want to give a hand to your project.
Will you release shares? How about small invest?
Brian S
When will you shares be available for a public offering?
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This really is a wonderful write-up. Thanks a lot for taking a few minutes to describe all this out for us. It really is a great help!
Matt Dennie
What kind of exposure latitude does this camera have? Is there a lot of dynamic range? How much can the exposure be adjusted in post?
Also, can you record movies with this technology? This needs to be adapted to the motion picture industry.
Its like you read my mind! You appear to know a lot about this, like you wrote the book in it or something. I think that you could do with a few pics to drive the message home a bit, but other than that, this is great blog. A fantastic read. I’ll certainly be back.
billyblind
Are you guys working on an eye-movement following photoframe? ;)
Seriously, your work is the major development in photography since the camera Obscura. With the Moore’s law still in effect, in a couple years the only purpose of the over-engineered/priced pinhole (aka lens) will be to protect the microlens/sensor assembly
can you print pictures with this camera? Can you focus the whole picture, or just crop what you take into focus and then print that focused cropped picture….Also, what about the mega pic quality….., can you enlarge a pic into a poster size print?
Ethan Frome’s Sled
I’m interested in the camera’s applicability to sports, action, and wildlife photography.
The gallery shows one photo with a skateboarder captured in air which give me hope but I still have a few questions:
Will the camera have the ability to take rapid bursts of shots?
What kind of zoom range will the camera have?
Will cropping be limited (as compared to traditional photos)?
Will the software allow me to choose a preferred focus and output a standard (ie JPEG) format traditional photo?
Very exciting concept. I look forward to learning more about it.
Al
The potential of this camera for underwater photography seems limitless. Are there any technical reasons the camera will not work as well for underwater photography? Do you have plans for an underwater housing?
Michael
That would be pretty amazing! Taking underwater shots, for instance in a school of fish, etc. I’d LOVE to see a Lytro image of an underwater scene in, say, a Hawaiian coral reef, where you could interact with the image by clicking on fish at different distances, or the coral, or what have you. Obviously an underwater housing would be necessary…
If the low-light sensitivity is good, perhaps it would compensate for being under water. One wonders how it would do with the filtering out of different wavelengths the deeper you go. Would color-correction in some way be possible?
Creativity unbounded, methinks?
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I would love to be able to HTML/URL label any specific focus field on an image to create easily nabigable depth images. A shot could be set up to have many items in its depth and then tabbed or simply hot spotted for focus. Like a GIF format but HTML and using focus planes not frames. This would be really helpful. And so the HTML and tags can be saved within the image file again so it operates solo like a animated GIF. Could this be done?
Richard Grant/www.rgproduct.com
Sterling Haidt, MD
Would like to offer my expertise as a retinal surgeon and photographic. The ophthalmic uses of this type of camera are worth exploring.
Bruce Mandel
Will we be able to shoot video with your camera like we can now with the Canon 5D? Your principal should work the same because video is just 30 or 60 stills per second. I personally can see a great benefit of being able to change my focus points in a video in post.
Lytro
Our *first* Lytro light field camera does not shoot video. This is just the beginning…
Doc Brown
I think I have one in my lab
Tom Servo
Do you have an Interocitor, too?
Bidinoff Bruce
Since this technology is so new, I imagine much can be done with its lens acceptance. For example, will Canon or Nikon etc. mounts be available for the camera?
Lytro
Our *first* Lytro light field camera is a standalone unit.
coljohnny
I sincerly hope, that camera build will include a decent optical view finder ( range finder type ) with frame lines accordingly to give the old feel back off photography in our hands and eyes.!!!
I wonder what the end product will be.!! with this new technic.
Boris Chuprin
I believe some technology limitations will make use of optical viewfinder mandatory in cheap consumer-grade camera. Lytro team can correct me, if I’m wrong.
Chris E.
Will stock be available soon? Any scheduled IPO?
http://www.dawnimages.com Beau Nestor
Commercial Applications?
Security Applications?
Engineering Applications?
HDR Applications?
Panoramic Applications?
JVs with Traditional DSLR makers?
I have been stacking images for years, Focus Stacking, Exposure, Stacking, Panorama Stacking, Color Stacking, Single and Multi-shot HDRs and then combining them all – manually, with inadequate software and frustratingly slowly.
What a breakthrough!!!
I have shot Sunrise every day for 34 years – this will change everything.
Thank you for the immense input you have all given to making the next leap in Imaging Science!
Thank You All!
Beau
Michael
Sounds like my posts off of FB Lytro page:
Yep, would be good for security cameras / video (in-store, ATM).
Would be good for law-enforcement (photo-radar, dashboard cams, intersection cameras).
Would be good for 3D-ish panorama (middle of a table at an antique shop? inside a bush, where you can focus on the branches, leaves or focus on what’s going on outside the bush and blur the foreground leaves)
HDR (if there’s an aperture for limiting light? take several shots in quick succession at different aperture values, then post-process them into a single Lytro HDR image; even cooler if you can retrieve NDR [Normal Dynamic Range] images at given aperture values back out of the HDR image, if only so you don’t have to switch settings back to normal mode and take a second picture without HDR)
Plenty of other things may be possible that we haven’t even thought of yet… :)
http://www.lytro.com Adam “Goolie” Gould
Beau,
Yep, the potential applications are pretty endless.
–Adam “Goolie” Gould
Support & Community Manager help@lytro.com
http://www.noellebellphotography.com/ Noelle Bell
WOW, this looks almost too good to be true! I would love to see how this plays out for wedding receptions as this seems like a great way to tell the story of so many people in one image. I would love to be considered as a beta tester in this if you are looking for any? I also would love to see it in play with video and stitching these images together. Is that possible?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomhauburn/ Tom Hundley
Would be interested in testing this in Underwater Cave Photography since it is supposed to work well at low light. Getting the camera to focus at all in a dark underwater environment is difficult . Low light capacity and the focus access would be interesting to test. One question is will it have a hot shoe access for flash? I saw where Eric Chang is one of the early users so I would love to see if he has tried it in an underwater housing yet.
Aaron
Wow. the potential of the technology is huge. By day I am a research scientist focusing in imaging (confocal microscopy/deconvolution microscopy/SIM/FLIM etc). By night/weekends I am a photographer. There is so much potential for this technology in both aspects of my life. Would love the chance to be a beta tester.
I got tired of reading all the rants, so if this question has been asked and answered, please excuse. It would seem that unique photo editing software would be required to manipulate images from this camera. Is that true? Also, are the image files of a type already in use, and are they extremely large?
Lytro
Our first light field camera includes a light field engine (processing software) that lives on the camera itself, in desktop software and travels with the living pictures as they are shared online. The files are a new format .lfp
david
I’m curious what the camera looks like: an SLR? point and shoot? camcorder?
Also, I gather it will have proprietary software and a flie format. I wonder then, can it be converted so you can work on it in photoshop and to print it out, share the image with others, etc?
Thanks, David
Lytro
Our first light field camera is designed to make taking great pictures effortless. With instant shutter, low light sensitivity, portability, and focus after the fact, our camera will deliver ease with a dose of magic that takes traditional point-and-shoot cameras to the next level. Our first camera will not have video. Once you save as a jpeg, you lose the interactivity. Some more answers that might be helpful to you http://www.pcworld.com/article/231245/eight_questions_about_lytros_lightfield_camera.html
Ed. Kelly
Please register me for the purchase when available.
Michael
If you haven’t already, go to http://www.lytro.com. On the main page, there is a box where you can enter your e-mail address to register for news and information on purchasing a camera when it becomes available.
Best,
~MG (not a Lytro rep, just someone who finds the camera nifty =o] )
Rather myopic
I am exceptionally nearsighted and had to go to auto focus cameras with mixed results. This camera may be the answer to my frustrations when it comes to thinking I have a decent shot only to find out when I display it on a larger screen that there’s a lot of unintentional blur. I am really eager for this camera to come out and see what it will do in the hands of the unprofessional photographer (aka me).
ggg
I hope I haven’t overlooked the answers to these questions.
- Will one be able to manipulate the focal plane (or multiple focal planes) along all three axis?
- Will one be able to create non-planar “focal geometries” or will the focus always be on a plane?
- Will one be able to work with the raw data produced with the camera and/or will Lytro be offering tools for advanced manipulation of the data?
- How will this technology handle long exposures times (several minutes or longer) at very low light levels?
- How does the color space (and “Objektumfang” [motive-contrast ?]) compare to other digital and analogue imaging methods/systems?
http://quadronyx.org/krayon/ Krayon
Demo images don’t seem to work in Firefox or Chromium (in Linux). Appears to need flash. Is there any plan to make it work in Standards or will flash always be required to view them in a browser?
I was very excited to see this site.I wanted to thanks for this great article! I definitely enjoying every little bit of it and I have you bookmarked to check out new stuff you post.
AP
what about HDR ? (high dynamic range) .
Shutter speed ? does it freeze action ? and can we change it to blur action, too
Still need great lenses ?
Primes ?
Eric
Multiple Images
Will the end result be a deep focus jpeg? Will there be batch processing ? Will processing be “greater / order of mag greater” ?
Single Images
Will we get high pixel images later / much later ?
Will they translate to a hologram ?
Best wishes Eric
All I want is everything in focus at once, just like human vision (via fast eye movement). Period.
Michael
They’re working on incorporating all-in-focus into their site’s interactivity. It’s just another post-capture processing / display option.
~MG
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First of all, how much is the camera and what are the specs? \
America is a country in decline. The right wing portion of the masses are uninformed, prejudiced, and superstitious. We have allowed our politicians greed to damage the country while the stupid masses argue about Mexicans, homosexuals, abortion, religion in schools and government, the list just goes on. You better hurry up and get that camera to market before it all comes tumbling down.
Michael
Politics has no place in this discussion. Stick to the product in question. Just saying. ;o) Camera looks nifty…
Don’t worry be happy! =oP
Sarah C
Although you are currently a privately held company, will you be trading stock shares on any of the stock market exchanges in the near future? I personally feel that Lytro is the revolution in photography. I fully intend on purchasing a Lytro at any price.
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Is this gonna be another failed product from Chinese a manufacturer? I’m done with China Crap.
Larry
I am interested in the “PRINTS”. Will there be an SD card that I can take to the drug store and have prints made? Which part of the print will be in focus? OR,,, are we only talking about being able to view these pictures on digital equipment, TVs, notepads, internet, etc. ???
Michael
I’m interested in the printing process too. One assumes that adoption at traditional printing places will take some time, WRT pritning directly from the proprietary format. So, one assumes we’ll probably have to select all out settings for DOF / focus, export to JPEG and then print the JPEG? At least initially?
One hopes that eventually one would be able to take the proprietary image format files, load them into whatever print shop machine and then twiddle with focus, DOF and other features then print directly without having to ‘convert’ anything to another format? As shos adapt to the changing market and demand for directly printing from the files themselves w/o the added step of conversion (if currently required).
The new Zune browser is surprisingly good, but not as good as the iPod’s. It works well, but isn’t as fast as Safari, and has a clunkier interface. If you occasionally plan on using the web browser that’s not an issue, but if you’re planning to browse the web alot from your PMP then the iPod’s larger screen and better browser may be important.
Michael
What has this to do with Lytro? Looks like SPAM to me.
checker
This FAQ-section is poorly hosted.
The most frequently asked questions in the comments are the uncommented questions about pricing, format and resolution as i saw it that far…
Lytro
checker – We know folks are curious to know more, which is why we added the last FAQ answer – we’ll share more details as soon as we can. We hope you’ll stay tuned.
Oded Kimhi
how soon will you have a ligt field sensor video cam?
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Good stuff on here, is there a feed?
Amy
Congratulations on the launch of Lytro !!!
1. how does the shutter speed and hence motion blur come into play in the equation of light field photography?
2. is light field applicable to video also?
3. how do you shift the perspective of the scene as mentioned in your FAQs on immersive 3D and to how many degrees?
4. does the camera has microlens arrays like the fly’s eye?
Come on…. spill some beans on 3 and 4 :D
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Lelia
Will there initially be an underwater version of this camera? I scuba dive, kayak, and hike to gorgeous waterfalls. I need a sturdy camera that can be safely carried in a fanny back for hiking, and has waterproof and underwater capabilities as deep as possible (60-80 feet at least –deeper would be better!). And I hope it will be small and thin.
Michael
One would assume probably not on the first model, except maybe if someone makes an underwater housing for it as an after-market add-on? Which would be pretty awesome… :)
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Love the innovative take on pictures. The viewer can decide how he/she will look at the scene.
I hope the software will not rely on Flash only. I am not a techie but I hear there are other options now that will work on any device. I want to see this work on an iPad!
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Hello,
I would like to know:
1- How does this camera perform when taking pictures of high speed objects? Aka, a bird flying by at high speed. Will this camera be fast enough to take a clear picture or will the bird be nothing more than a focused blur?
2- How about showing us an image of the actual camera? Its rather silly (and scam-like) for you to be selling a product we cannot see an image of.
3- Many above have asked technical questions and have received no answer. I know you will not give away your trade secret but c’mon now, if someone asks you the F-stop and DOF capability they do so because they want to know how your camera will compare to the ones they already own. If you are already peddling the product you should be capable of answering these technical questions.
No picture of the camera+not answering technical questions+peddling a product = scam behavior.
So kindly answer these questions and give your hyped up followers a reason to purchase this item.
Michael
They’ve said it will be a pocketable point & shoot consumer-level camera. One assumes it will look like many/most other such cameras… One assumes once things are finalized they’ll give all the press kit & photos folks are looking for. ‘Til then, it’s just a waiting game. I’m as interested as y’all, but it’s their business, they can keep things as close to the chest as they like. I’m content to wait and play with the images currently available.
I’ll be interested to see pictures when they’re available too, and even more interested to be a usability tester if the so decide. The Pacific Northwest is a lovely area for it! :) *Hint*
Dr. Owen E tucker
A great idea! But I would like to know more about it — size, price, resolution, etc. Nture photography is my hobby and I can tell you I’ve taken pics of, say a group of birds, and there are some great antics going on, but you can’t capture all of it — until now.
Dan
Looking at the demo pics on a large (30 inch) monitor, it seems to me that there are still depth of field issues. Objects that are very close to the lens do snap into focus, but objects that are furthest from the lens are not sharp. Or is this just all some artifact from how you’ve done the web pages?
Michael
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John L
I went to the Lytro Picture Gallery page, and the page loads but the pictures do not. Only gray background and the links.
I am using IE 7.
I have the latest version of Flash Player, and it is enabled in IE.
Can you tell me what I might have to do to view the pics using IE7?
Or would you please redirect this mail to a department that might be able to tell me.
Or would you please send me the proper contact e-mail address for me to ask about this problem?
Thanks very much.
John Larmann
Carl M
Lots of fun. None of the photos online in the picture gallery are above a modest consumer-grade quality when looked at full-screen on a high-quality calibrated monitor. And they don’t need to be better if the massive snapshot market is the target.
There is only a hint of what the picture files are like so far. It’s not possible to tell if the technology will be useful if maximum depth of field rather than amateurish (food photographers would disagree with that term) shallow depth of field is sought in an image. There is no indication how much resolution one is dealing with, which greatly affects the quality of the information captured and how an image can be used. Not even an indication of the file size involved, though I am guessing it is not too high given what is seen in the picture gallery. There is no indication as to whether or not the images (the file format) can be processed (corrected and edited) with standard available software–another factor in how readily images can be used for various purposes.
But this thing already does way better than the output of the first digital cameras to arrive on the consumer market, and sales from those first cameras to the public helped support the development of the higher-end, higher-capability digital cameras available today and the software used to refine their output.
Not being interested in smallish files and shallow depth of field, and not knowing if the files can be edited, I’ll wait for more information or more development of the technology before I become a candidate for purchase or before I advise the photographers working with me to consider it. In the meantime, I hope the roll-out goes smoothly and that you sell many millions to the consumer market.
http://www.philipt.com Philip Thomas
Are you planning to produce underwater housings that fit these cameras?
I am a notoriously bad photographer and this seems like the camera of my dreams.
Carlos D
Awesome! I’ve been waiting for this to come to market for years since I first read about it.
But I’m quite disappointed that the Lytro people haven’t really put up a more complete yet *simple* explanation for the people that won’t read a dissertation (99.99%)… Here and elsewhere on the web, almost all articles/comments I saw misunderstood the essence of what this tech is, and then ask rather dumb questions that they need not ask, or don’t even see why this is a real breakthrough and not a gimmick…
I’m really looking forward to a dslr and video, hopefully not too far off!
will this technology be compatible with MAC computers?
checker
somehow yes (sooner or later to give a very simple answer for a very “simple” question)
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One major concern. All this information needs to be stored and/or processed. This means HUGE files and slow fps if you want professional results. Furthermore, instead of light coming from one focused direction, you have to pick up light from all angles. This means that sensors going to need to do more, with less light. For this reason, I think that any magic camera like this will have awful noise problems.
Also, am I the only person here who thinks those samples are just shots taken with a wide DOF and then using flash and photoshop?
Carl M
Even though they optimistically talk about a revolution for “everyone” making pictures, I think it’s pretty clear this first web splash is aimed at a consumer audience, not professional photographers. Even though the sample pictures on this site, with all their fields of focus, could be created with something like Photoshop layers that are superimposed, that is not at all what the technology is supposedly about. This is just their splash site. The details will come with more information about the image files, and that may be (understandably) somewhat proprietary at this time.
Michael
They’ve said elsewhere that file sizes will be comparable to existing file sizes (I don’t recall if they were referring to RAW files or uncompressed JPEG files), slightly larger, but probably not even an OOM (Order of Magnitude)?
Pretty sure it was an answer to a question on their FB page. But I’d have to go looking to find it again.
Have you worked out anything with Adobe, as far as using Photoshop or After Effects to retouch or animate a Lytro file?
Jeff Barnett
Here’s a thought: What would be really nice is to be able to animate the refocusing. What do you think?
The greatest potential for this technology will be realized by the software tools that will allow for creative manipulation of the data. Once in the hands of the pro, or artists, I really believe this will be a truly disruptive technology.
Michael
Moreover, consider what you’ve just said with respect to video… If focus-after-the-fact works as advertised, then it would seem that one should be able to do the same as you’ve just said WRT video files, and ‘animate’ the refocusing effect. Basically making video refocusing a post-processing rather than pre-shooting consideration. So, in theory, you would only need a single video shot, rather than 3-4 with different focus, DOF, etc. One could just take the single shot and post-process the focus / DOF into the scene in a number of ways and select the one that best fits the artistic vision for the scenes.
Just my 2c.
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This thread made me laugh so hard that I chocked. If anyone is on twitter – hit me up @TS_Elliott so I can follow your tweets!!! I don’t know who is right but thank you for the laugh!!!
Michael
Uhh, what thread? What are you talking about. Yours is a root-level post, not a reply to a thread. Sounds like SPAM to me… =o\
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Have you guys considered going into the life science market? I think this might have some awesome applications for microscopy.
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I cannot believe such an amazing technology! I am extremely interested in your camera, and It will be great honor if I can have a chance review or preview before it released.
I also informed it on our camera equipment community in Korea (SLRclub), and they will definitely welcome to more information or new updates.
Best wishes, Dy
davpar
Very exciting product. Is your company a publicly traded company, and if so, what is your stock symbol?
http://mjkphotopgh.tumblr.com Michele
OK.
I have been working in the photo retail industry for 8+ years and I have seen every type of user level for cameras in those 8 years. I am also a photographer with 10+ years experience, and I shoot professionally. Here are my positive and negative thoughts on the Lytro.
Positive:
- It will be GREAT for those people (parents, casual picture takers) who insist on a camera with less lag time. (Although, part of the lag time had to deal with the live view screen and the software in the camera that has to switch the camera from pre-record mode to capture mode. It’s not all the auto focusing mechanism.) People, this is why your cheap 79.99 camera is such a disappointment. You are literally getting what you pay for.
- If the point of why you’re photographing is not in focus, and you want to fix it, you can. That’s great.
- This camera will be very marketable for either people who want effortless photography (super entry level users) or photo enthusiasts who want a fun toy to play with.
Negative:
- You’re taking a lot of the skill and effort out of photography. Pros and advanced users may not see the point of paying what I’m assuming will be a 350-500 price point this camera might have. I understand a lot of science and research has been put into this project and kudos to that, and that it IS revolutionizing digital imaging.
- Selective “focusing”. Isn’t that similar to shallow DoF? Some people like it and cherish it and hold on to that concept for dear life. At least if you’re doing some shallow DoF work with this camera, it better have some good Bokeh.
- PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE – whatever you do, DO NOT promise to the consumer that this camera will give you the sun, moon and stars. No camera can do that. Customers come in every day after seeing Ashton Kutcher on TV and think that the latest touch screen camera is THAT easy and fun and perfect — and it can be a fun toy, but you have to handle it with kid gloves practically. It is not for everyone.
Michael
How is taking skill and effort out of photography a “negative”? You seem to be saying that making photography more accessible is BAD. I disagree 100%. Couldn’t disagree more.
Are you saying that only people who have been photographing for years and years should be able to take photographs? Pfft. Sure, they’ll take BETTER photographs, but that can be said of any art that requires practice.
I’d rather have “easy” photography and a few people taking ‘bad’ / ‘lazy’ photographs (more experienced photographers still taking ‘better’ photographs, as always), than have a system whereby only “professionals” can pick up a camera, point it, shoot and have a passable image come out the other end…
Y’know what I mean? Sure, it take away the ‘old boys club’ aspect of photography and opens the field to new photographers who maybe don’t do it as well. But, I’m of the opinion that anything that makes photography more accessible and easier will increase the number of photographers and hopefully the number of people doing ‘creative’ things with the photographs.
That is to say more people focusing on the ‘creative’ aspect of photography instead of the technical aspect (once they don’t have to worry about setting the lens exactly so and the aperture exactly so just to get an image that’s not hopelessly blurry or under- or over-exposed).
How is it a “bad thing” to make photography a little more effortless? Isn’t there an up-side to not having to deal as much with focal lengths and aperture values and such just to get a passable image?
No doubt ‘pros’ will still do what pros do and push the envelope as new models come out and more features get built in. I hope they’ll demand that their existing add-on optics somehow work with future models (telephoto lenses, polarizing filters, etc.)… There are obviously positive uses for many of the ‘extras’ that don’t come standard with the fixed lens, and hopefully they’ll all or mostly be usable in the future as the technology matures.
I’m sure there will always be those who never ‘upgrade’ from film to digital or from digital to light field. Or there may be those that swear by one and not the others, or those who are generalists and dabble in all available modes of photographic capture. And that’s fine. I’m sure that each medium and methodology has its own strengths and weaknesses.
http://www.millgate.com Barrie Etherington
Can I assume that the process of ‘re-forming/re-focussing’ a picture can be likened to a mathematical ‘interpolation’ of the data in the photograph taken with one of your cameras ?
Put it another way … is the result achieved by effectively recalculating the data and displaying the result as if the photograph had been focussed at the point of the ‘click’ ?
checker
no
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post House
Will it capture HDR VIDEO?
Will it be easy to extract STEREOSCOPIC IMAGES?
Is it possible to get a DEPTH MAP or some equivalent that would allow to key out one single element from the entire picture?
http://www.dukemorse.com Duke Morse
I would love to be a real world tester for you.
Ala
Oh hai… the photogallery doesn’t work on Opera. Thought you should know.
Love what I’ve seen of the product (using IE)!
jimbo
Do you plan to license the technology to third parties or you keep it to yourselves with a launch of Lytro brand?
Franco
I do hope you’ll have a plugin available for Apple’s Aperture (and Adobe Lightroom and whatever others are using) ***the day the camera will ship***. Integration with existing photo libraries will be a plus (and should convince more potential customers…)
If all this light field camera hype will not come at the expense of resolution and image definition, the time I’ll stop missing some of the qualities of good old film photography is approaching…
brandon
Focus stacking requiring multiple images means that everything would need to stay still for every shot then stack them. in a busy street this would be hard to achieve. thats why this camera will shine when its used in that situation.
This explains more and it’s a micro lens array put into a regular SLR style camera. I’m sure the new design will look very similar to current DSLRs to help people feel more at ease with them, otherwise not enough people will be willing to try it, since the cost should comparable to one of the Canon line of Professional DSLRs. Now that keeps it in the price range from $1,000 to $7,000 depending on where they want to fit in the market. If attracting professionals is their goal, then it will be high, but if the “common wannabe” is the goal, then probably about $1,000 to start and then they can produce a “lower cost” version if it really goes anywhere. Of course that doesn’t allow for them being bought out by Cannon in the future, or if it’s a big success, a rival like Canon making their own version.
Gotta start somewhere, wish you good luck. I’m sure the price will be way beyond a poor penniless jerk like me for at least 10 years or so.
Jack
In all seriousness and with respect to your creation: “Tell me why I should continue to be a professional photographer?” As soon as this camera becomes common and is integrated into mobile phone cameras as well as iPad and the like–why should I continue to expect to get paid for my professional skills? I’m all for progressing and competing industries as society and it’s technologies evolve-but this truly concerns me.
Michael
In all seriousness, do you expect lazy people with phone cameras to have the skill to seriously compose stunning photos, worthy of sale to magazines, etc. etc.?
I don’t see ‘professionals’ being put out of business any time soon. If you’re worries that your creative skills or technical skills will no longer be sufficient to remain in the business, perhaps you shouldn’t be in the ‘pro’ business?
Mostly kidding. A little not. One assumes that a ‘professional’ will have a certain approach to photography, composition, lighting, artistic intent that Mr. Average Joe shooting his kids’ birthday party may not.
Will it level the playing field?
Perhaps to some degree, insofar as it will allow Mr. Average Joe to point and shoot with greater ease and still come out with a passable photo that’s not completely blurry, out-of-focus, under- or over-exposed.
But, I would think that Mr. Average Joe will probably not be in the same market as Mr. Prosumer or Mr. Photographic Professional. I would think they would not run in the same circles, have the same contacts, the same approach or the same interests.
Certainly, this may make it easier for new entrants to get into the photography game and start to learn the craft at an entry level. But, I personally doubt it will allow many to completely upset the apple cart from day one?
Maybe I’m wrong…
Jack
Really impressive technology, but I think the ONLY winner here is the CEO and the company. This will put a LOT of photographers and artists out of business. This will continue to reduce the value and appreciation for talented photography and the art of composition. People will depend on the camera instead of their mind/creativity to create an image.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be in the photo paper or canvas industries. They will soon be in the shadows of 35mm and polaroid film.
I’m mixed on this. I love gadgets and consider myself extremely tech and computer savvy. I have degrees in art and advertising and I work in Hollywood as a professional, established and successful photographer.
My first impression now is my clients will ask me–”why would I hire you when anyone in the crowd can take a photo and get it right without thinking about it?”
Very concerned.
checker
jack i am concerned about your abilities as a photographer.
I think making good photos is more than the correct focus – its the direction and the intensity and kind of light, the right scene and much more…
I would never hire you.
Jack
I have no idea what your point is, other than you may be arguing the same point I am.
And you haven’t seen my work, my resume, my background in lighting, my business, or what I shoot. So, how would you know you would never hire me? I am not a paparazzo and my resume is quite extensive.
checker
hmm – ok now I’m interested…
But than i don’t get it – why are you concerned about a thing making your life easier in some ways?
I mean take a cook for example – just because the teflon was invented and it is a lot easier not to burn meat, not everybody became a good cook suddenly.
Jack
I am going to make another quick point. It just dawned on me that “Checker” may work for Lytro–is that the case?
Because if you do, you probably just lost a customer with your comment to me.
Are you a C.S.R.? Because you need a lesson in Customer Service. I have ten years in the consumer product industry doing product development and working with Customer Service personnel. Your comment to me would get you an immediate negative “write up” in your file.
Re: You said: “I would never hire you.”
checker
No i am not working for Lytro, and as you said, my comment on you would have been a poor demonstrations of my abilities in csr if that where my job – i agree.
Boris Chuprin
Hmm.. You could say same thing about autofocus lens. Manual focusing is challenging, but AF didn’t suddently make professional photography obsolete.
And, about Lytro tech, lack of actual information about their consumer camera led me to belief that their new creation will be more like an expensive novelty toy than professional instrument. At best.
Michael
I think you are mistaken. It will not reduce my appreciation of a well-framed, properly taken photo one iota. I don’t believe that I will jump ship from the enlightened position of liking well-made photos to the unenlightened position of considering sloppily framed camera-photos to be high art.
There’s certainly some validity to the notion of “sure, I could pay you to be a photographer, or I could simply give everyone a ‘disposable Lytro,’ collect the SD cards at the end and use the best and brightest of those random shots.” Peopel do it at Birthday parties and weddings all the time, buying 20-30 disposable cameras and letting guests snap tons of pictures in hopes that some of them turn out well.
But, at a major event, wouldn’t you really, as an editor of a magazine, prefer to actually pay someone to attend who actually knows their craft, knows how to compose a scene properly, knows what and when to photograph to get that perfect moment on film or digital or Lytro?
I don’t think that the title of ‘professional’ will go away any time soon. Sure, the masses will be able to take photos that are refocusable and reasonably well lit, without having to think about it as much. But without the thinking and planning, their photos will probably be just as lazy and ho-hum as they are today. Just better focused and better lit.
I think it will still be the ‘professional’ who will churn out the most outstanding photos with the highest frequency and the best likely Return on Investment.
Just my 2c as a hobby-level prosumer. Yes, I think this camera will take some newbies to a new level. But I don’t think it will automatically make them ‘professional’ level photographers, give them an ‘eye for photography’ or the ‘creativity’ and ‘passion’ for the craft displayed by professionals in the fields of photography and optics.
Mustapha
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Dear,
Everytime i put my mail address, i’m being channeled to another webpage with message “The resource you are looking for cannot be opened by your browser”
Can you please advise
MAK
Lytro
Could you please get a screen grab and send us an email to info@lytro.com. Including the browser you’re using is very helpful.
Thomas J. Delaney
Physics meets art.
Wayne
So is this just a point and shoot camera or does it have the same abilities as a SLR camera. Such as interchangeable lenses. Neat idea but if it is only point and shoot not really worth it.
Michael
I believe they have said the initial model will be a consumer level point & shoot. One assumes that newer models will eventually come out with more features and possibly the ability to utilize existing attachments in some fashion. It’s a new technology, so it will undoubtedly take some time to mature and get all the resources in place and parts and pieces all working together. Patience is probably the name of the game… Nonetheless, being a hobbyist / prosumer, I think it will be ‘worth it’ to get my hands on one and see what can be done with the technology. For those who prefer SLR / DSLR, perhaps they will want to wait for later models with higher end features than the initial model.
Just my 2c. For what they’re worth (not much; especially considering inflation).
http://facebook.com/hutson.imaging.and.photography Adam
What are the sizes of these pictures both in inches and Mega Bytes, as well as what Mega Pixel Ranges are they.
barobaybay
i think that this product will still follow the standard marketing procedures, like lytros for kids, adults on the go, professional ones and extra features in the future releases… if lytro just release it one-time big time, then there’s not much profitability for all in the coming years/generation…. so, it’s safe to expect less from the first few releases….
Danielle McCowan
How about zoom? Will the camera have a zoom button of any kind or will we have to zoom in on the picture later as we do with the focusing?
Ps: I’m loving the camera from what I’ve seen and heard. I can’t wait until it comes out.
Jessica
I love what you have planned. I’m working through a professional photography program right now and I would gladly test your camera for you :)
I really can’t wait for this to come out, it seems amazing
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Dave White
I, like everyone else here, am absolutely amazed at this new camera. My wife and I were discussing it and one of our realizations was that you could really fix those lousy vacation pictures from now on, because they would never be lousy again.
Think of all the action shots you can take, events, holidays, school sports, low light situations, weddings……Life is about to change. Sort of like 2010 the movie, “something wonderful is going to happen”…Dave
Kyle Piepergerdes
Am interested in investment opportunities as well as your camera.
Kelly Points
If you need any testers, please let me know. I work at a local horse racing track and would love to get some action shots for you.
http://www.danielginsberg.com Daniel Ginsberg
I think the answer to most peoples questions are on their web site if you read it carefully.
1. You can’t buy stock in the company at this time. They have plenty of money invested from venture capitalists.
2. They did not forget to post a picture of the camera, announce the price or resolution, but presumably will do so before you can actually buy a camera. They did say they are aiming it at the consumer market so I would guess it will be in the $100-$400 range or so.
3. Will it be available for professional cameras, videos, smart phones, etc.? Most manufactures of anything start with one model. If it’s successful, they will come out with more models.
4. Seriously, do you really think they are going to send you a camera to test it out for them because you’ve posted on this blog? They have already garnered plenty of interest, and once the camera is available to the public, you’ll start seeing plenty of the photos on line. Go ahead and sign up for the camera. It doesn’t cost anything to sign up and there’s no commitment to make a purchase.
I doubt the initial model will replace my Nikon, but there will be situations where it will work better, such as photographing kids running around when the light is not bright. That’s a situation where it’s particularly difficult to focus.
Bryan
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Hello: I would love to know if this camera would be great to photograph jewelry and gemstones. Since those products seem to be very difficult to photograph because of it’s highly reflective nature, I would be interested in seeing if this camera would work well for what I need.
Many thanks!
K. Faulkner
When are you going public? How soon? ‘Interested in purchasing stock in your company. Please let me know asap.
http://www.prostudioimages.com Brandon Keoke
Since this has no focal lapse, what will the fps be? I shoot alot of wildlife photos, and fps for me is key.
erwin
I’ve looked everywhere but i can not find a photo of this camera, i mean i want to see what it looks like. Is it available yet to see on a picture?
Thanks.
Lytro
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How does this technology differ from deconvolution as implemented by, say, Pixinsight?
Pat
Fake ???
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i can’t tell you how excited i am about this innovation. i think this has a really great application for helping people with low vision. Being able to change the focus to objects further away… i mean its a real break through…
I am a shutterbug returning to school in a Professional Development program for photography. My interest in photography are Historical Architectural Photography and Standard Architectural Photography. I have been studying and practicing HDR processes for over 2 years.
The Question:
Is there a use for HDR with your camera and if so will the process kill (sorry for the pun) the living photo?
I truly see a use for you camera in my interests and in a professional realm. To have the detail of HDR coupled with a living photo for any client to view is brilliant.
I find your work… Mind Blowing
http://www.tech-no.org Michael Crabtree
This is awesome! i will post a writeup on my blog! i think this will indeed make photography more accessible to novice users. and allow casual picture taking to a new level. Now hurry up and put it in my android phone. =)
Debi
I may not be a profession photographer but I do like taking pictures. I’m excited to learn more about this camera.
Debi
Sorry, I can’t type today. I meant professional photographer
I read the dissertation, or at least a large part of it. Very interesting technology indeed. Being written in 2006 when 10MP CMOS sensors were getting common I can see why the technology waited a few years. 20+MP CMOS sensors are the norm now, giving this camera the ability to produce decent-resolution photos even with the spatial limitations inherent in the tech.
I’m very interested in this and will be watching closely to see where it ends up. I’d love to own one of these as I’m currently without a good camera and will be in the market soon anyway. Hopefully the wait isn’t so long that I end up having to purchase something else.
The ability mentioned in the dissertation to move the microlens array closer to the sensor in order to sacrifice the extended DOF for resolution, is that going to be implemented in all the production cameras, or will that be a feature reserved for the higher-end models?
Will be interesting to see the software backend and the abillity to Photoshop/otherwise manipulate after download (color correction, etc.), as well as the impact on typical processing techniques such as unsharp-masking. Except for color correction, I almost wonder if this will make Photoshop obsolete…
Also: I presume the image can be exported to .jpg or some such conventional format at a selected focus setting?
Another also: Will it be possible to exaggerate or minimize depth of field with this technology, after the fact? It seems like it should be possible…
Truly fascinating…
Richard Johnson
Is it possible to embed the camera and/or software into a mobile device (like an android phone or pad?) Big, big market there.
Do you have plans to provide additional software, or an API? It would be interesting to see how well 3-d modeling software can image into your format, or if your format can be converted into input for models or parts.
William Sommerwerck
“Immersive 3D: Using the full light field, Lytro cameras will allow you to easily switch between 2D and 3D views or shift the perspective of the scene.”
I would be very cautious with this claim. A scene’s “perspective” is determined by the distance of the camera from the subject. I know of no way to alter it after the fact.
If you can do this, you should post an example.
AJR
Plenoptic cameras have an array of micro-lenses on top of the image sensor. Each micro-lens is taking a separate image, so in essence each image is from a different perspective. Some plenoptic cameras have as many as 40,000 lenses.
Tim Craig
I didn’t see any instructions on what to do with the images in the picture gallery. I guess that clicking on part of the image should bring it that region into focus but on my PC nothing happens.
I am very interested in your work and would like to explore. As a signal processing coder I looked at a different technique for performing after-the-shot focusing, using a standard lens and mounting the CCD sensor on a piezo to make it fractionally movable but enough to resolve the ray math.
Lytro
click the green arrow in the lower right corner to reveal an instruction menu. Make sure you have flash installed – and it works best in Chrome and Firefox. Please send screenshots and browser information if these tips don’t help – info@lytro.com
David D.
How many incremental focusing levels are there? In viewing the Picture Gallery I seem to be able to see only three. For instance, in the picture “The King lives on in the streets of San Francisco”, I can grasp and resolve a) the Elvis figures, b) the red car and c) the silver car….but nothing in the background. Same thing for “Fields of Fuscia”.
checker
this is just a showcase of what the technology can do – the real images will have much better results!
kay
So could you print these once you had refocused them??
checker
yes
AJR
How do the specs of your camera compare to the German-made Raytrix R11 (http://raytrix.de/index.php/r11.185.html)? I hope your version is no where near their $30,000 price tag.
Michael
Since this is intended as a consumer-level product, and a pocketable one, I assume it will be NOWHERE NEAR the price of a car. ;) I’d guess somewhere in the $150-600 ballpark. Maybe as high as $1000? But it’s all just speculation until details and specs are finalized and they give us the actual information…
Denise
Wow, this is just what I’ve been waiting for! I looking to replace my crappy digital point and shoot – I had been planning to buy another point and shoot plus a DSLR for even better photos. Now I’m wondering if the Lytro will be able to do the work of both? The only problem is, I need a camera NOW. Will I still want a DSLR if I have the Lytro? Just wondering what I should do while I’m waiting for your product to come out.
Can photos be produced using the camera that are infinite focus, similar to a view camera with high F stop ? Where as your example blur, can a person use the camera to have the entire shot in focus ?
http://www.kentmiles.com Kent Miles
For some reason digital cameras have abandoned the square format. You are showing square format images in your gallery. Is that the native format? I love composing to a square, and I would get the camera for that reason alone. Other questions: focal length of the lens? Can the images be manipulated with standard software (photoshop, etc.)? How do the images translate into print?
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DL
Unlike the school teacher earlier in blog we do have permission to post our subjects but will not do so at this stage we would prefer to wait until we receive our FREE BETA VERSION OF YOUR PRODUCT !!! so our shots will stand out !!!
All joking aside sounds like a great innovation “INNOVATE NOT IMITATE” (our slogan) We are an small progressively thinking A / V- doco company from DOWNUNDER (OZ) we have in the past (and are currently) documenting / capturing numerous famous / infamous (and some not so famous!) historical and / or musical events from our neighbourhood (think BEE GEES / Keith Urban) we have captured multi track / video and pics in numerous formats over the years and would love to integrate your product and techniques if possible.Can you help ? We are on your mailing list, PLEASE let me thank you in advance for your “LYTRO” (whoooops!) I mean reply !!
tom
Hi,
I can’t subscribe to your “reserve one” newsletter, it’s telling me my address was already on the list despite this is a first-time visit.
The gallery viewer does not work in the most recent versions of the Opera browser.
http://www.stephanlowy.com Stephan Lowy
Can’t wait to own one!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39778298@N05/ Peter Leyshan
I love the square format. Thumbs up on that one :)
http://texasent.net Mike Quinn
Thanks a lot! You just made all the world’s existing photos boring…
Michael
Not all of them. Just the boring ones. ;)
Ben
How fascinating!!! I hope you are taking the camera reservations in order of when they were placed. I have a feeling that by the time you release your first model, the list is going to be fairly extensive. Looking forward to seeing the specs.
Carlos Lee
Wow! It’s so amazing. Please please keep me up-to-date on every step. I heard that you are looking for Taiwanese factory to produce this camera. I’m a Taiwanese! I’m think about start my own business by sell this camera and bring the happiness to everyone who loves to take pictures. YA!
Lisa
OMG Please have this camera out before September so I can ask for it as a birthday gift!
http://www.ukshots.com James Rimell
I have yet to see any technical specs on any of this, yes the little examples are nice, and ideal for sharing with friends etc, but what is the actual resolution of the image field captured (I am not talking about the z depth, but the accessible focal plane at any one point through that z plane). Also playing with the images it is apparent that the sharpness of the far field objects is fairly low, so on the actual device will it use some form of optical telephoto to set the start plane?
Also what is the sort of file sizes we are looking at?
the most impressive part of all of this I have seen is the re-focus on and focus through transparent and semi-transparent objects.
Chris G.
I only have one question. How well will this camera perform with spoting events, kids running around, fast action photos? Please reply!! Thank you!!
Jacaranda
What is the expected battery life on the camera? That is, how long will it last on a single charge?
http://enzoberetta.com Enzo Beretta
Amazing! What effect on motion photography? Will it show multi-channel lines of movement in a 3D like plane? Any guess how my images (Life in Motion) will look with this technology, or what effect on this type of motion photography: http://enzoberetta.com or http://enzoberetta.com/wordpress/
barobaybay
…something for China to imitate and distribute more cheaply with a bunch of extra features like radio, TV,wifi, SD card… lol
M Ready
Looking forward to the magic. Would love take this underwater. Any plans for a housing?
144 comments and 3 replies from the company. Would like to see more participation from Lytro on this thread, More answers and less hype and on hold muzak. Thanks
checker
same same but different!
http://www.russellrichards.com Russell Richards
Will it be able to shoot video?
macky
I am an oil painter. Photographing oil paintings, that have different depths of field (?), due to the thicker intervals and thinner intervals of paint, is tricky. A lot of detail seems to be lost in the translation from ‘oil’ to ‘photograph’. Anxious to see what happens with a Lytro. I am not optimistic that I can afford one, but perhaps – I will know someone who appreciates this fascinating piece of technology. I suspect the uses are far more important than taking a few family photos; like using it in a medical imaging setting.
Wishing you at Lytro, the very best of success.
Hansen
does lytro sell camera?or just sell technology to camera producer?i’m personally interested in your technology very much,if you sell the camera,i prefer to buy one if the price is acceptable :)
checker
they will sell a camera you can buy
Mary
Any stock option availabe for you guys? If so, what’s the ticker? If not, when the IPO?
Andrew
As an avid photographer who doesn’t seem to have much luck taking any pictures without some type of blurring, will this camera feature anti-shake or anti-blurring technology to ward off a case of the shakes?
vi
playing around with the picture gallery, i get the feeling that the photos don’t have as much of a focal range as you make it seem. i can click something and make it come more in focus, but not as in focus as i’d like. is that something that would be improved upon, or already is improved upon but just not apparent in these sample pictures? and would you be able to still share your pictures without letting people play around with the focus?
checker
the showcase is a workaround – there is no such technology in webbrowsers today that could support the real images – so its just a way to show you the effect – the actual effect is a lot better!
Boris Chuprin
Since we are expected to share these images, will we have to wait for browser technology to improve first?
Lytro
You will be able to share your own living pictures the same way you can share the images in the Picture Gallery – post to Facebook, share via Twitter or Email, embed on a website or blog. Viewing in 3D requires a 3D display.
Boris Chuprin
Meaning that picture we share will become “fake” “living pictures”, without complete control of focus plane position and depth of field?
Ambrose
This will be awesome, imagine once movie mode comes out and detective movies where focus points will reveal evidence (I’ll take 50% commission for that idea XD)
and I am totally ready to say bye bye to the aperture mode, cant wait, when is the big reveal?
Dr. Alvarez
There are a few biomedical applications that I think this would be perfect for. Are you developing systems for the medical field? If you are, I would be interested in testing your system.
JMS
“Enhance 224 to 176. Enhance, stop. Move in, stop. Pull out, track right, stop. Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop. Enhance 34 to 36. Pan right and pull back. Stop. Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute, go right, stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there.”
— Bladerunner Deckard
George
I need to understand more about the technology, but I would think that with the vectoring, and reflective properties of light around other objects that a high sensitivity sensor would allow a software package to “see” what is behind an object that normally would be blocked by a standard photo. Scary stuff if correct. At minimum this technology would have made the questions surrounding JFK assassination immediately put down.
JMS
Wow! this finally explains those “precious photos” in Bladerunner where Deckard (Harrison Ford) was able to zoom in and see around corners in the year 2019. :-)
Boris Chuprin
At best, your ability to move viewpoint will be limited by lens radius.
Henry
Hi,
When it converts 2D image to 3D image, does it means the camera can automatically render another view? Can you show more the results about 3D image?
Best regards
Drew
How can I invest?
Louise
Having problems with ” Reserve Camera “. It won’t post through! And, Could someone clarify what the cost may be?
SteveDJ
I’m getting an error on the Picture Gallery page:
This mobile browser does not have HTML5 canvas support.
What?!? I”m using IE8, on a desktop machine. This is NOT a mobile browser. :-(
Gavin Greenwalt
IE8 doesn’t have HTML5 canvas. Upgrade to IE9 or Chrome or Firefox 5.
Rich
The PRICE will be amazingly LOW, because the amount of hardware is limited, it is rather a pinhole with electronics and the actual focusing is done later in post processing.
OK I’m guessing this, but it only makes sense. But I can tell you this is not going to replace any Pro Series cameras, it’s a software manipulation, it will be FUN, not profitable to use.
George
Some thought that Digital would never replace the traditional film cameras…. but they have in almost all applications.
http://www.rememberforever.com.au Luke
Digital has replaced film for the most part, true – however as a professional photographer I know that my best images are still shot on film rather than a memory card.
Brings me back to the old VHS v Beta days of the 80s.
http://Exportingtootherformats? rickb
Interesting preference, but film and conventional camera technology have always introduced their own artifacts. Sometimes we like what it produces (Kodachrome skin tones/Fujichrome color saturation), other times we hate it (graininess, contrast, blur – unless we’re using those artifacts for ‘art’ purposes.
We’ve just gotten used to it, and I suppose, there will always be devotees.
Interestingly, with the emergence and refinement of digital technologies, it’s possible to reproduce those artifacts, digitally, also after the fact.
Film will become obsolete in all venues – Kodak has even recognized this and have made very significant pushes into the digital imaging arenas. (And… goodbye Kodachrome – a sad, nostalgic day, to be sure, but inevitable.)
tom
1) It’s probably not a hoax given that a competitor is already on hte market. The competitor uses lenslet arrays that effectively reduce resolution in exchange for the light field data. Not magic nor does it violate the laws of physics.
2) they’re not saying the price because they don’t know yet. Bad PR to disclose a price and then have to increase it. Bad business to release a too high price and scare off customers.
3) Not sure how the low light works though. That may be a slightly bogus claim. If they’re effectively increasing the pixel size via aggregation you’ll get better low light at the cost of lower resolution. Otherwise unless their sensor has more sq mm of area than standard cameras or if they’ve increased sensor efficiency they only catch the same number of photons as a regular camera with the same size aperture. Now they could be increasing the sensitive area but that might present cost concerns which in turn could be mitigated by going to larger pixels.
4) My concern is the following what effective focal lengths are available? 28-135mm? 10-500mm? Are there limitations at high focal length due to lower angular spread and hence the need for higher angular resolution, ie is the focus after the fact as good at 500mm as at 45mm?
Thanks for any info.
Boris Chuprin
I believe, lenslet technology with some powerful software processing will allow in the future usage of simpler and cheaper high aperture lens, maybe even a single big uncoated element made of plastic. Not sure about current project though.
http://www.xrez.com/ Greg Downing
Will there be a RAW format that lets the user get to all of the source of the images? People might think of uses you may not have anticipated.
For example one of the problems of some of the HDR attempts is that they just gave us a tonemapped image rather than giving us access to the true floating point data which would have been much more useful.
Doris Zanki
What an amazing concept….. I am always travelling and love taking photos… This camera appears to be a dream.
Can’t wait to see it in action
i don’t care if this camera is 800 U.S. dollars…i gotta have me one !!
* just got back from taking pictures in china…would have been nice to have this camera a few weeks ago *
Scott R.
Interesting technology, and looking for more information on possible industry applications (possible uses within advanced manufacturing, engineering, etc..)
Gavin Greenwalt
Couple questions:
1) Will we some day be able to use a custom defocus kernel for special effects such as the Anamorphic lens bokeh?
I’ve been experimenting with these type of images since hearing of the research at Stanford. Will the image file format be documented in some manner? I’d like to be able to extract depth fields, and do things like focus on skewed planes.
Doing this in a single exposure instead of having to move a camera through a lot of view points, then aligning the images, would be a real improvement to the way I’ve been doing it. 8)
I am a photojournalistic-style portrait and wedding photographer and deal with constantly moving subjects and low-light conditions on a regular basis. If you are looking for real world testers for the Lytro camera, I would certainly love to participate and blog about it.
I hate to rain on everyone’s parade, but this has all the hallmarks of a rather clever hoax.
There are no pictures — anywhere — of the actual hardware, and the sample “Living Pictures” appear simply to be a Flash-based image-map interface to select between a small number of individual shallow depth-of-field photos, each with a different focus point. Nothing shown anywhere on the web site requires the use of any new technology — everything shown could be recreated by any competent photographer in partnership with a good Flash developer and web developer.
Occam’s Razor certainly applies, here. I prefer the way that Sir Isaac Newton phrased it: “We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances.”
Since existing well-understood camera technology is “both true and sufficient” to explain all of the images shown, we have been given no reason — apart from unsupported claims on the web site — to posit the existence of some new and fanciful camera technology.
Unless and until some rather more convincing evidence appears, I shall continue to doubt the existence of this magical new camera.
Actually after you got scientists from Google and Stanford University joining Dr. Ng and he gets a writeup in the NY Times, the time to still believe that this is a hoax seems to be over. How well the device works in the real world, meaning how good is the image quality, is still to be determined.
Michael
And at one point existing evidence was both true and sufficient enough to ‘prove’ the Earth must be flat… Same nonsense, different day.
Yes, we’re all still waiting for the specs and price to be released, as well as a press-kit with images of the final camera body.
No need to be an @$$ about it.
Anand
Will the file format be published ?
Will there be an API / SDK available to application developers ?
Allen Green
I have IE7 & Adobe Flash 10.3. When I click on the Picture Gallery I don’t see any pictures. Also, I type in my email address to reserve a camera, but when I click the next arrow I get an HTTP 406 error, “Internet Explorer can not read this web page format”.
NICK
WHERE R U? THIS COMMENT POSTED TIME IS 5 HRS. AHEAD OF CST//USA!
NICK
HOW WILL THESE IMAGES BE STORED? SDHC CARD?
HOW PRINT—CHOOSE THE FOCUS DESIRED AND “SAVE”?
SINGLE LENS OR INTERCHANGEABLE?
THANX
http://andreasaronsson.com Andreas Aronsson
I am seeing some inconsistent picture quality among the sample shots, I am guessing that this depends on different pre-production models being in rotation among your test users, I will point to a few examples.
This is not hate, I’m just curious of what we can expect from the final production camera :) And of course concerned about it being a high quality device when it ships! I want this product to be very successful :3
http://andreasaronsson.com Andreas Aronsson
Oh, I forgot to mention this photo which I think looks very nice :) http://www.lytro.com/pictures/lyt-3 Though it seems I can no longer get it to load, heh…
Brendan
I see some images in the gallery of scuba divers. Are you also in the process of creating an underwater case for the camera? Also how would the software deal with focusing underwater in lakes when there are large quantities of sediment suspended three dimensionally around the object you are shooting. Would the sediment located at so many different distances in the same direction confuse the software’s focusing ability?
http://www.facebook.com/treehaus3D treehaus
Will it do stereo 3D? You should be able in theory to change the interaxial from the widest possible seperation down to zero on a continuous scale. After you have taken the shot. This will allow you to take a single photograph and use it on a small screen (with a larger interaxial) AND on a big screen (with a smaller interaxial). The entire 3D industry will seriously swoon on you if you do this. Good Luck!
Nicholas
I would love to see what the camera itself looks like, its dimensions. Also like everyone else what is the price going to be.
I would also love to test this product, if you so find the need.
http://ashkeling.com Smash
It will be interesting to see where you position your first products.
- Do the data contain discrete “slices” or are the z-values effectively continuous? Is this constant throughout the captured DoF range?
- Can one extract measurable z information to, for example, reconstruct a solid model of the (unobscured) object?
- Will one be able to output 3D-compatible image files? (e.g. for viewing on 3D TVs)
- Are exposure times comparable to current consumer cameras, with comparable levels of noise?
- Assuming a sufficiently stable series, can one apply HDR processing and still maintain compatible image data? (I know–small matter of software)
lsgiwgt2l3gbljh
I’d like to know how shutter speeds will compare to standard cameras. Will I need to use a tripod less often or more often?
Also, what happens if the subject is moving through multiple focal planes during the exposure?
Frank Militello
Will this tech be licensed to other companies like Canon or Nikon or will this new tech be exclusively in Lytro cameras?
Also, I currently own a Canon Eos Digital Rebel DSLR. Will your camera come in a similar body style or will it be the smaller point & shoot type cameras that you can put in your pocket?
Frank M
I forgot to ask if the software is a stand-alone system or will it be incorporated into Photoshop plugin or iPhoto when the camera is released?
Michael
I believe they’ve said the initial product will be a pocketable point & shoot.
josh king
does this camera do panoramic shots also?
http://www.shaunaleelange.com shauna lee lange
We’re in Key West. If you’re talking about “field tests” then there’s NO location like ours for end-of-the-road sunsets, moonscapes, water-based photography. We’ll field test it for you on location, HAPPILY.
http://www.nvidia.com Calisa
Does this use GPU-based technology?
Andy
Will this record video as well?
Michael
I believe they’ve said no for the initial model… On the drawing board for future models.
http://www.kellinixon.com Bill Nixon
Interesting concept. I can’t wait to check out the equipment. I am a professional wedding photographer and would love to see how this baby does with wedding photography. Also, it will be interesting to know what the post processing is like and how we can output photos (after focus is chosen) into a printable format like .jpg.
http://www.brooklynballparks.com David Dyte
I’m going to take a wild guess about how the Living Pictures demos are created. There are three or four images in there, all created from the same Light Field data, and a depth map that says which image to focus on for which spot on the screen. Why not just provide simple sliders to change focus and depth of field at will? My guess – the computation time is nontrivial and that would be slow as hell.
The thesis also talks about variable depth of field and focal length within one rendered image, so I presume such nifty tricks as tilt shift photography will be available, too. It’s really just a matter of what the software writers (and third party vendors, let’s not forget) decide to provide for us.
Thrilled. Beyond thrilled. Amazed and stunned. Thank you!!!
Beautiful work. I saw the original Stanford research with the large array of cameras/lenses. Really curious what this looks like miniaturized. I could not find a single photo of the camera itself on your website. Isnt there a tradeoff when you make the lens array smaller / denser. Does not that reduce the angles you are capturing from the lightfield? Best regards,
http://carlos.gasparinho.wordpress.com Carlos Gasparinho
Hi,
I am starting a doctoral degree based on new ideas about photography (PhD in Visual Arts – with a specialization in Arts, Science and Technology). I am not working on technical concepts, but more on the full understanding of what “photography” truly means. This is not the place to develop any concepts in more detail, but allow me to say that that from the conceptual point of view I am working on compressing multiple space time occurrences to produce coherent images. Being able to focus the images (most of them registered at random) at a later point in time would be extremely interesting.
How can I contact you to discuss these ideas?
http://www.blog.les-phillips.com Les Phillips
A million questions:
– what file type is generated?
– Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop compatible?
– User definable depth of field focus?
– are you looking for beta testers?
Many thanks,
Les
Steven
Is there any relation between this and the “Frankencamera” project?
Since that was a port for Nokia hardware, is there any possibility of this being ported to Android?
http://www.alexisevanoff.com Alexis Evanoff
Do you have anything in the way of specs to show us? I am very interested in learning more.
Deborah
Can I purchase stock in Lytro and if so what is your trading symbol?
Shawn
How are we supposed to edit photos? Is there some kind of fancy plugin for Adobe Photoshop? What about Apple’s Aperture?
http://www.brooklynballparks.com David Dyte
There would need to be a whole new suite of editing software. This is not capturing an image as we have known it before – Photoshop wouldn’t know what to do with this data.
http://www.brooklynballparks.com David Dyte
Actually, I take that back, and eat a good dose of humble pie. The good people at Adobe are totally on top of the problem already:
I too would love to know when and how to obtain stock in this company. Love the concept.
Heather
I’d also love to know if and when stock will be available in this company! I love what you’re doing!!
http://www.dineaphoto.com Dinea de Photo
This camera looks amazing. I would love to test one out as a tester and own one…sounds like the one I have been looking for to enhance or maybe replace what I use currently. I love this!!!
Dinea
http://www.dieinternetexperten.de Uwe Chardon
Really impressive!
About the impact on photography in the future I’m excited!
Phil R.
Do you have interest in:
1. Licensing your tech. into smart phones (say iPhone)?
2. Higher end interchangeable lens cameras, or as a camera back that could use Nikon or Cannon SLR lens systems? I’d love to have a camera with your technology, but also had perspective control lens for architectural photography, professional level zoom and telephoto lenses, etc.
http://www.imagedynamix.com Tammy
I believe the biggest question on everyone’s mind is “price range”. You say priced for the consumer…but what type of consumer is the question. Can you provide more details on price range and timing of deliverability? It is fabulous that you introduced this, but more information would be helpful to photographers like myself who are currently shopping for new equipment for their business now.
If all this works like you advertise I am totally in!!!
Thank you!
Tammy – Image Dynamix Photography
Lytro
Register to reserve a camera or subscribe to our blog to be the first to get updates on our progress.
Doreen
Looks interesting. If it works as it is show it will change photography.
Shawn Moore
Is there a way for an individual investor to invest in the company?
john
Couple questions:
1) Price range
2) Ship window
3) Interchangeable lenses or fixed
4)If fixed, comparison to standard 35mm lenses
5) I also am getting the error permission issue for the gallery/demo
6) What software is needed to manipulate the images
7) Are you going to use an HTML for display instead of Flash soon?(iPad/iPhone, etc)
Lytro
Can you send us a screen grab of the error message you’re getting – also browser info would be helpful. Send to info@lytro.com.
http://www.filckr.com/photos/docsmith cinsy
I am also wondering if there will be a RAW fomrat?
http://www.filckr.com/photos/docsmith cinsy
I want to know about file format, downloading files, emailing files, being able to open files, how can I edit the images – contrast, white balance, etc, – use in photoshop?
New Admirer
How and where can I invest in your company?
Zach Ritter
After looking at the thesis, I have a few questions.
Doesn’t the ability to achieve focus depend on not only the aperture of the microlenses, but also the aperture of the lens?
Would a lens at f16 allow a larger field for digital refocusing compared to f2.8?
And doesn’t the point of focus for the lens determine what planes of focus are still achievable at maximum sharpness after digital refocusing?
Gareth Pitt-Hart
Awesome concept and now reality.
We can’t wait to use this for creating visual content for our E-Learning and M-Learning content.
G
Gary Zetrouer
How can I invest?
lxne
If this could be used for HD-filming…
A killer!
Trevor
Can someone invest in your company?
Larry Smada
Can you produce a picture that has all points in focus at the same time?
IMHO the Lytro will be a blockbuster hit.
http://www.shinyphoto.co.uk/ Tim
To those who are asking about greater depth of field: as long as you can get a bunch of rendered images out sharp at various distances, you can focus-stack them. I’d hope that would be incorporated into the processing software directly, though!
http://phone34922572778 angel curia
It looks like a great breakthrough.
I have worked with Leica IIIC/M3,Rolleiflex and Vpoigtländer 6×9 fittted with an Ultron f.2 lens (by far the sharpest when set at infinity)
Keep me posted, please
Do you have plans to go public any time soon? I would love to have the opportunity to invest in this company.
Steve H
Good point – me too!
Janet Tong
Cannot believe that its exitance.
1. When those pictures were taken, are they save in the memory card?
2. is it mean that once I determine the focus of the picture, then I can print it?
3. how large of the picture that it usually takes place in the computer?
I have many questions in mind but I know that you are finguring them out as well. This is a product that worth to feel excited about. Would like to update from you.
I really like the idea of having a lytro camera. However, without any photos of the machine, even just a prototype, the website almost feels like a scam. It is a to-good-to-be-true story without evidence. Just show me the camera! :)
Douwe
Michael
Flinging mud won’t make them release the final specs or camera body images any sooner. Once it’s ready it’s ready. Once they issue press kits with more details we’ll know the specs. ‘Til then, please keep your pants on… =oP
We’re all waiting patiently for the specs.
http://www.vds.com Michelle Morales
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Tom Niezgoda
There is no mention of creating a hard copy of the picture. Once I have focused on what I want, can I save that version of the picture as a normal jpeg?
Steve H
I’m sure exporting a final image selected around a user-chosen focus point would be a pretty trivial to do. I don’t think you have to worry about this.
Michael
Personally, I’m hoping that whatever file format standard Lytro uses will allow for user-saved ‘views’ to be saved as part of the file. Kind of like a ‘gallery’ of possible ways to view the image, as intended by the photographer. (Or, if not locked, if ‘protection’ is even part of the standard, users could then play with the image on their own to interact with it to form their own soft ‘views’).
I think it would be pretty cool (& trivial storage-wise & computationally) to allow for saving arbitrary ‘views’ of an image as a part of the file itself, so they go along with the image, if so-desired.
Just my opinion, of course. Hopefully it works like that in reality? We’ll see, I suppose.
JW
Every security camera should have this technology.
Phil R.
Very good application…
Michael
Likewise intersection cameras, ATM cameras, photo radar cameras… Yep… Agreed. All could easily benefit from this technology!
Remote “drone” bomb disposal robots could make use of it for transmitting images back to the humans who could focus on different parts of the scene or put ‘all-in-focus’ without having to wait for a lens to refocus, shaving precious seconds off their time usage.
UFO nuts and bigfoot nuts, who always seem to produce grainy, low-resolution, out-of-focus images should adopt this technology and then put-up or shut-up.
Wildlife biologists, ecologists and those studying the range of animals, their habitats or just trying to capture elusive, rare or endangered animals would find this invaluable. Especially if it had high frame rate and the ability to re-focus after the fact. As many images come out grainy or out-of-focus with traditional camera optics.
I’d think that anything needing the ability to refocus different parts of the scene in near-real-time, or to capture things quickly without having to re-focus, and possibly losing the shot, would benefit from this technology if / when an initial product actually hits the market…
Michael S.
What is the resolution of this camera? And how is it measured?
How many Pixels can catch how many directions?
Pretty confusing, but absolutely amazing idea this cam!
Can’t wait!
Dennis Creaghan
Will the usual exposure settings be eliminated as unnecessary?
tony ward
hi, nice work dudes, will it be possible for multiple focus points to be sequenced in a loop so the picture is always living?
checker
with the right software it would be possible
Bill Meyer
Amazing technology! Great for interactive online/digital type viewing.
Is resolution high enough that an image could also be used for commercial print reproduction? Are images a new file format?
Is it possible to bring an entire image into focus at once (foreground closeup and background?)
thanks!
checker
yes new format – obvious!
Jason
Do you plan to have a raw format to allow users to access the 2-D sensor values and your computed 4-D light fields so we can do our own image processing? Plus, give needed information about lens geometry and any other details needed to make this practical.
Thanks!
Jason
Jean Luc
Is there a way to focus the entire picture, regardless of the distance of the objects in the picture?
http://AnthropyArts.com John Spellos
What if you want the entire photo in focus, regardless of the depth of field? Can it produce such an image?
Also, I’m pretty sure one of the most frequently asked questions is: How much will it cost?
Lytro
Kerdi – Our first light field camera is designed for portability and priced for consumers.
Steve H
So all we know about the camera apart from the light-field technology that this camera is:
1/. That it’s going to be more point-and-shoot sized than SLR sized
2/. It’s not going to be super expensive, similar to what you’d pay for a decent point and shoot, which in the UK at the moment is about £300.
However, I’m also thinking that this initial camera is going to be quite low resolution, maybe 3MP or even lower. That’s still large enough for monitor display.
Chazbo54
thanks for the link. I expect Lytro to be minimum equal to the German model(s) and with further minaturization. Appears the concept can be adapted to existing cameras.
Kirby Kaufman
Fascinating. The ability to select and manipulate the plane of focus is interesting and useful as long as you’re working with an image created with a very shallow depth of field, as your examples all appear to be. This is an important issue because we don’t always shoot this way. There are many situations where a small aperture (f/10-22) is employed to create greater focal depth that will render the entire scene in crisp focus.
Will the first Lytro cameras allow for long DOF shooting? Or will the software somehow allow the user to subsequently select the entire image area to be focused? How will it compare to / differ from long DOF images created with a normal DSLR?
http://www.nickmeers.com Nick Meers
my goodness – is this for real?
If you need any pics from glorious old England, PLEASE allow me to shoot some iconic images for you… I shhot alot, teach a lot, have been in the photo industry for over 30 years, know a few folks, and am VERY interested in this incredible invention
…if it’s for real?
pete
Will it take long to incorporate this technology into video?
Bob Cunningham
I’ve been analyzing the simpler parts of the math, and video may be one of the best applications for panoptic cameras.
1. Great light gathering ability should support 60 Hz capture with minimal motion blur (which can be added in post-processing, if desired).
2. Make the cinematographer’s task easier: Woodie Allen sometimes likes to use a stationary camera in dialog scenes, using a narrow DoF with subjects near and far from the camera, dynamically bouncing the focus between the speakers. With a panoptic camera, this can be done as part of post-processing. No missed takes because the camera focus didn’t match the dialog!
3. The limited resolution of the panoptic camera won’t matter for video: HD resolution is good enough.
4. The panoptic effect goes away with longer focal length lenses and lower f-numbers, which is less of a problem for panoptic video than it is for panoptic still shots.
On the down side:
1. Without sophisticated compression, storing the output of a panoptic camera will be a challenge, since each ‘raw’ panoptic frame will be 8x-10x larger than the final refocused frame, placing huge demands on the storage subsystem. Which makes it NOT easy to implement panoptic video in a consumer-grade system. But in upper-mid-range and high-end systems, sure!
2. The refocus operation will need some very smart automation between key frames! I’m already bored with clicking on the Lytro gallery photos. Imagine having to click on every frame of a 60 Hz video. That’s 3600 frames for a each MINUTE of video! Fortunately, most of the automation already exists.
I think I’d rather have a panoptic video camera that can take stills, than a still panoptic camera that does no video.
Michael
To each his/her own. Sine I’m not in the video business, a plenoptic still camera will probably suit my needs just fine. However, I look forward to the day when plenoptic video is the new standard and focus / DOF become closer to post-processing effects rather than part of the primary shooting process. That is to say, shoot a scene once, and figure out the focus / DOF afterward, depending on the artistic vision… No need for as many re-shoots due to bad focus, bad DOF, etc. IF those are just post-processing effects that can be tweaked and re-tweaked without having to reshoot the initial raw plenoptic video.
For now, I’m just waiting with bated breath for the technology to hit the consumer market, generally. Then for the technology to fully mature, “embrace and extend.”
Craig
As someone with a major investment in glass (i.e. long telephotos with low f/stops like the Nikon 200mm f/2) I do NOT wish to see my investment rendered worthless as happened when Canon abandoned the FD mount.
I love the concept and as some on who shoot models (miniatures, not young ladies) your system truly excites me but… will I be able to use my lenses with your camera body; specifically, my newer Nikon AF D and G / VR series long lenses.
Chester
I think this will be a pocket size camera and will not have interchangeable lenses.
Dirk Diggler
I heard it will be postage stamp sized with powered with a single Lr44 battery.
Bob Cunningham
Actually, it will be built into a contact lens, mechanically powered by blinking.
SW
Next, they will do away with the contact lens requirement. Focusing yours eyes will be all that is required.
Tommy
You don’t need to focus. Remember?
Lytro
Craig – thanks for your patience. Our first Lytro camera will be a standalone unit. This is just the beginning…
Jari Huuskonen
Hi,
is there any comparison to resolution of regular cameras? Is it possible to create printable photos with all areas sharp using photo editing software for example?
checker
for sure not at the moment, because its a new format – and not on the market right now – but i am pretty sure that the software they will provide along the camera is able to export your settings into other formats (such as jpg etc.) – and these can be edited as always.
But if this is truly that amazing it sounds – photoshop, gimp and others will soon suport the lfv-format.
http://encosion.com/ Tim Ferguson
Fascinated. Can you talk a bit more about things like shutter speed and ISO? I.E. Is this the ultimate point ‘n click camera that has no settings whatsoever? Or do you still get to adjust the shutter speed and sensitivity etc?
This is HUGE! Congratulations!
Aaron Peplinski
I’m also interested in how it will handle long exposure times. Will I be able to do Fireworks displays and the like?
Peter Dulimov
What is the significance of the company’s name?
http://www.ottertravels.com John Barlow
I am an life long scuba diver. Love to take underwater pictures. Will the camera be able to fit in any housing that is in the market now. Have you taking any underwater shots?
Seth Sanders
Yes, I have.
Patty Harris
I’m amazed at this new little camera, and really want to get it underwater. Anyone working on a housing?
John Pierce
Will enough info be captured to make digital zoom truly effective or will we still require optical zoom?
donna
how much is this camera?
Sriram
Awesome !!!.
While the Consumer Camera would be a great commercial proposition a Professional Version for Medical, Industrial uses would be a great Value Proposition for your technology and I guess you are at work there too !
Good Luck and Best Wishes to the Entire Lytro Team.
Sriram
Loren Glassman
I imagine that this new technology will be a next step in security cameras which will now be capable of sharply focusing on anyone within the photograph. Police cameras set up at intersections to catch people going through a red light or photograph speeders are also going to benefit from this technology. Is Big Brother watching?
In addition to all of the good things light field photography may bring, it may be one more example of society’s need to control the uses technology to preserve our privacy.
Robert Ranheim
Looks interesting I have 2 questions:
1. WHat type of lenses will be available?
2. THe photos in the gallery seem to have a limited DOF, will the software allow for adjustments, say soft focusing over the entire image?
Thanks
Peter Kelly
You can choose focus later, but can you select DoF?
How does this impact in terms of selecting aperture and speed too?
Do you simply shoot as fast as the light will allow and then sort it out afterwards?
This could be the greatest leap forward ever, but it could be the biggest pain in the butt! It takes me a long time processing shots for a wedding now; if I have to choose focus too…sheesh!
Pieter Mumm
People keep asking about DOF. If this camera does what they say it does, then it doesn’t have one. The DOF in the example pictures is added by software so that they can impress you with the technology. You should be able to get nearly infinite DOF limited only by how much information they can store and presumably some limitation of the sensor. As I don’t know anything about how the sensor works, so it’s hard to guess, but I’d say the real problem is resolution, they must be doing some fancy compression right off the bat and this must do something to what you can pull out of the picture…. The ‘adjustable focus’ thing is cool, but really it’s a distraction.
JMS
Totally agree about the distraction that the pictures used are creating. The very shallow focus only in the background or only in the foreground is almost a special effect. Landscape or photography or family gatherings require a wide DOF. I believe that they can easily achieve this by stacking the various focal planes in software.
Why haven’t they shown this yet? A totally well focused landscape picture in this camera would be indistinguishable from a well shot picture with a small f stop. That doesn’t attract the crowds or get oohs and aahs..
http://www.bmbf.de Frank Schlie-Roosen
2 questions: can you give any information at this time as to resolution? dynamic range?
thank you
Ed Tech
How big is the image file that is captured by the camera? Is the image file something that today’s desktop/laptops can handle, or will they require next generation computational/storage technology to be affordable? Is the image light field calculations done onboard the camera or is it done in “post processing” on a stand alone off the shelf retail desktop computer, or will the image processing need to be done by a dedicated server farm that one sends the file off to?
- a photo enthusiast.
checker
Lets relax Ed Tech.
Even if the size would triple the size of the now common data types (which i doubt), you are able to store and edit tons of pictures in an affordable time at your “today’s desktop/laptop” without the need of owning a server farm!
Lytro
Ed – sorry for the delayed response. The file sizes will be comparable to regular picture formats. Slightly larger, but not by an order of magnitude. Our first Lytro camera includes a light field engine (processing software) that lives on the camera itself, in desktop software and travels with the living pictures as they are shared online.
John Spragens
I can’t interact with the photos in the gallery.
Browser: Firefox 5.0
Flash: 10.2.153.1
OS: Mac OS X 10.6.7
Gary Schneberger
Hi John,
Same OS X as you, but running Safari 5.05. No problems interacting with photos in the gallery. Possibly something peculiar to Firefox 5.0? If so, the folks at Lytro need to specify requirements to those that produce browser software, and specify to potential customers what browsers, and other software, is compatible with Lytro.
DB
I had the same problem with Firefox as well – Could not interact with the pictures. I have a blocker for flash animations. Once I disabled that and restarted Firefox, I was able to interact.
I don’t know why this site reacts differently than all other sites – Elsewhere I get a box that I can choose to click on to active the flash. Here I get a jpg that I can’t interact with.
freakolowsky
Would it be possible to get these pictures in raw format.
I’m interested in making live pictures viewable without flash (HTML5 & JS) in my free ttime.
Nate Johnson
Essentially, the flash representations of the photos in the picture are just focus stacks. Want to see the raw format? http://www.lytro.com/lfp-/media/lytro/lyt-0/lyt-0.lfp
You’ll notice (if you’re a programmer/geek/etc) that the source of that file contains a JSON definition near the top that essentially just maps out the depth of field for the various focuses you can achieve with a click in that spot. It’s an image map with depth data to hot-swap out the images needed for the “refocus effect”. Until the technology of displaying an image catches up with the paradigm shift in what an image means as a file format, we’re basically left with some hot-swapping magic to emulate the effect and gain mass adoption among the non-geek crowd. Personally, (as a web developer and photographer/film maker) I can’t wait for this to happen, when all the web browsers and mobile devices, etc all support the .lfp image format, and when HTML 6 or 7 supports a .lfv (light-field video) format! The hardest thing will soon be how to tell the computer what you want to see in focus. Right now it’s the horribly clunky “click to focus”, but that will shift into easier interactions as expectations shift too…
checker
man i wanted to check out how to parse this format – but unfortunately the site doesn’t exist anymore – hope to get my hands on lfv-format as soon as possible!
Nate Johnson
The point was that the .lfp format doesn’t really help you – all it is is a container that holds multiple images in it, which is stacked on the fly and made clickable by defined regions for use in the .swf that they publish on this site. If you want to see one, just view source on any of the pages containing the living image examples and search for the .lfp, you’ll find one.
Parsing it won’t be really very useful for you, you’ll just get a few images of different focuses and depth-of-field. The “raw” format is not published as far as I can tell, and best of luck figuring out how to do that anyway! I expect that’s something Lytro is still working with in whatever software they’ll be bundling with the camera!
http://chadoh.com chadoh
I would totes help with that, as well.
Please, good folk at Lytro, don’t be foolish and lock your brilliant technology into one limited type of rendering run by one particular company (Adobe). You don’t have to figure out how to render your photos in HTML5, we’ll figure it out for you. Just open up the raw format.
You’ll do much better as a company if you let us figure out how to get your living photos everywhere and you can just focus on making super awesome hardware. No need to make the viewing of your photos proprietary.
http://chadoh.com chadoh
Ah, I didn’t see your reply until now, Nate.
I don’t know that the file format _needs_ to change in order to come up with a non-flash way of handling this. If it does, it can certainly be added to the HTML spec right away, no need to wait for future “versions” (see http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5). But the same image-swapping-depending-on-where-you-click could certainly be achieved with current non-flash technologies in the meantime.
Thanks for the link to the raw lfp! Unfortunately, I get the Rails default 404 page, “The page you were looking for doesn’t exist.” It made be happy to see that Lytro is using Rails, though, so that was nice!
freakolowsky
Well you don’t actually need to have this format embedded in html (… or wan’t for that matter, just look at how long it took for video tag to get here).
But i think as long as the format doesn’t require some major CPU time computations for image evaluation it could be done in JS.
Lenny
Well, I don’t know if you can deliver what you promised, but calling what you promised exciting is an understatement!
Joel
What is the quality like in the average picture? or What is the largest size you would suggest for printing?
Also, what kind of software is used for the after-focusing? Does it come with the camera or is it web-based?
Thank you for you time. I look forward to playing with one of these cameras soon!
Nate Johnson
The really cool thing about this technology is that it’s a different kind of image file format, which eventually will gain support in web browsers (think every photo on Flickr!), image viewing programs like Picassa, etc. This is the next step in the technology shift of photography – from film to digital, now from digital to LightField. Imagine what this will do for youtube in a few years, the ability to refocus and alter the focus of a movie clip as you watch it. The hardest thing to figure out is “how to get the common user to use this”. The gallery is a good start – can’t wait to see how the UI changes over time!
CindyPsych
During the transition period, while waiting for browsers to be able to display this file format properly, will there be the possibility of saving it as a .jpg, perhaps after selecting the desired focal point?
Michael
I believe they’ve already said yes. However, once saved to a ‘static’ .jpg file, interactivity is lost.
Adam “Goolie” Gould
Ding ding, give that man a cigar! Michael is correct.
–Adam “Goolie” Gould
Support & Community Manager help@lytro.com
http://www.webcal.fi/ Aapo Puskala
Hello!
I’m a usability specialist and first of all I must say I love the way this feedback form works. Also, the font is beautiful. But this was not why I write you.
After reading about your camera, there’s only one problem that annoys me: another camera? I don’t want another camera. Even if it was as great as yours. I mean you should sell the technology to be used in cell phone cameras, iPads etc. I’m sure you’ve thought about this and I really do not know if it is even feasible. But I strongly feel that’s where there is a big market. Imagine if iPad’s cameras was a Lytro camera. You’d just tap the screen where you want focus…
Michael
And have to carry a large clunky iPad without everywhere you wanted to take a picture? Hardly ‘portable’ photography… Cell phone camera maybe? But, really?? And would miniaturizing the optics / sensor that far ruin image quality?
I’d rather just have a camera… A pocketable camera. Especially if it gives image quality and control comparable to something prosumer like my Canon G9.
Tony
This is an amazing advancement for photography technology, no one can say it’s not, but I fear that the ergonomics of this camera isn’t the best and will hold back this camera. Unfortunately people in today’s populous have come accustom to holding a camera a certain way. Even if there is no chance of camera shake one might be concerned as such. The only exclusions from this is cell phones, tablets and the flip cam (and we saw what happen to that). I worry that people might not adopt a camera that looks foreign to them especially in a down market. So I agree with Aapo about leasing this technology or maybe even making a cell phone your self, or even just redesigning it to look more like a regular point and shoot. I just don’t want to see this technology go down as ” something the world wasn’t ready for”. Thank you
Rachel Sooy
What will the estimated price range be?
http://redyeti.net/ Chris Miller
Hi,
I’ve been following this technology for a long time now and I’d like to say congratulations for managing to bring it to market!
I have a lot of questions. I suspect you won’t be ready to give me answers to most of them just yet but I figure I don’t have much to lose by trying…
I’d like to know a lot more technical details: sensor size, aperture range, image resolution, ISO capabilities (with some low-light & high ISO example photos), camera features (manual mode?, max shutter speed) etc etc etc! I’m also interested to hear a lot more about the file format, bundled software, and workflow for “developing” light field photos. Is there likely to be eg Lightroom support in the future?
As you can probably tell I’m excited by the possibilities that your camera offers, though I’m guessing by the estimated price point that it isn’t going to replace my DSLR just yet. Is it technically possible to build a light field camera that has DSLR-like capabilities, including interchangeable lenses? If so, is this something you’re considering?
Many many thanks for any insight you’re willing and able to give to the above!
Kind regards,
Chris
http://none Matt
Chris,
Ren’s thesis offers some nice details about the tech but I feel like answering a few questions about it so I will.
Sensor size/image resolution: I expect it’ll be a ‘conventional’ sensor with an array of microlenses on top of it. The take home message is that you’ll sacrifice some X-Y resolution to get depth (Z) data. Back of the envelope calculation is X*Y*Z=total pixels on sensor–take this with a cup of salt, it’s not just how may pixels you have but rather how they’re used. What I’ve just stated is for the camera designed 6 years ago! Yeah, so there really isn’t a good answer for the question. You’re not going to zoom in on a zit and get it up close and personal if you were standing 50 feet away–get closer! Don’t get stuck in the megapixel rut, is there any reason for a 10 Mpixel sensor when the lens is a Coke bottle capable of a resolution equal to 2 Mpixels? What’s the other 8 for? Marketing. That being said, yes there are good cameras which make good use of the full sensor resolution–they cost more of course.
ISO: probably same as other point and shoots, no reason to expect differently.
Aperture range: You shoot with the aperture wide open at all times, you have to or you won’t make a high resolution image. With software you’ll effectively “select” your aperture after taking the picture. Since it’s done in software you can make your aperture any size (up to the limit of the lens) and at any position (read: it’s like the pinhole you see in the back of an SLR lens that you can now MOVE around) Of course you might also ask what happens if you use 2 apertures at 2 different locations–3D, extended DOF, tilts . . . Do you see any problem with “looking” at the raw data? Read on.
Interchangeable lenses: major pain in the butt since the microlens array on top of the sensor needs to be matched to the taking lens, theoretically possible but a pain and expensive. I suppose if someone is willing to pay enough then anything is possible but my house probably isn’t worth that much. Time will probably fix this, meantime don’t get rid of your DSLR, there’s a use for it as well as a point and shoot.
Camera features: everyone seems to offer the same features, don’t see any reason to expect anything different. Don’t forget this release is going to be a point and shoot–it’s NOT supposed to be a DSLR. Think point and shoot features.
File format/software: Everyone wants to know this. There is nothing secret about what the raw image will look like, you can find examples in Ren’s thesis or by putting “Light Field Photography with a Hand-Held Plenoptic Camera” into a search engine. In the paper note Figures 2 and 13, they show raw light field images composed of thousands of tiny circular subimages. Figure 4 shows what happens when you take pixels from different corresponding regions in each subimage–it’s from 2 different “apertures” as mentioned above. You see two different perspectives. Sooooo, you’ve got a raw image composed of thousands of subimages that you want to play with it using Aperture, Photoshop, etc. It’s not a problem with Lytro’s file format (probably a regular file format with lens data to let the software interpret the subimages properly) but rather a problem that regular software doesn’t know what to do with the raw image data–as far as it’s concerned it’s just an image like any other image. Only problem is it isn’t, it’s thousands of subimages inside of one giant image. Put another way it’s a 4D image (yes 4 dimensional; don’t ask–I can hardly explain it to myself). Aperture doesn’t “do” 4D. So the raw image data probably isn’t that useful–but it could be quite pretty. You’ll have to be content with Lytro’s software for the start. However, if you like matrix math, can get your noggin around the optics and want to geek out with programming then you’re in for a fun time. If you like that sort of thing then Google about for some raw light field images, crank up your multicore CPU and get cranking. Actually it’ll probably be easier to work backwards–start with a virtual 3D object. I’ll just stick to what they give me until Adobe jumps in.
———-
Many years ago I was taught in photo class that photography is about where you stand, when to squeeze the shutter and of course the light. That probably hasn’t changed very much.
http://www.insolare.com Dr. Hemanshu Bhatt
Great Technology. Truly a disruptive concept. Good luck on productizing the technology.
Gagan
I own a startup which provides artists a platform to create their own portfolio online. My question is –
Does you technology of focussing on different parts of photos after the picture has been taken can be adopted to all photos i.e. photos taken from non-light field camera? If yes, how can I integrate this with my service to provide better quality photos to my users i.e. artists?
Thank You!
Stephen Villano
My understanding of this technology is, they’re bringing 4D light field technology out of the college lab and into the consumer market.
The photographs that you receive are 2D photographs, not a recorded light field, so that software won’t help you. It’s several orders of magnitude different than trying to add TRUE color to a black and white film photograph.
Steven M
http://www.cnet.com/8301-19709_1-20074139-10/buzz-out-loud-1497-lytro-is-the-camera-of-the-future-podcast/ Steven M
great technology. do you think it will be also applicable some day to record video stream of living pictures?
JW
Of course it will come to video!
I’m excited and amazed by this!
code4life
What an awesome idea! I would definitely buy a light field video recorder if that ever came out.
Caleb
The depth of field seems quite shallow, how will these cameras be for landscape photography?
JMS
I think that they’ll stack all the focal planes in your software or in camera. They need to show that soon as opposed to foreground only or background only focus shots. This would get rid of the need for variable perspective lenses to achieve those infinite focus shots.
Nate Johnson
As I understand it, the focus is no longer a concern. At all. Want a severe depth of field on that shot? It can do that for you. Want to bring the entire picture into focus? Sure. Want to bring something from the foreground into focus while blending an out-of-focus middle between a focused background? No problem.
The options really are endless with such a monumental shift in what photography even means. This isn’t so much a photo as it’s a moment in time captured by virtue of the entire light of the moment stored. All visible objects emit or reflect light, hence you being able to see them, so when the camera captures light in a way that even your own eyes are unable to capture, you can really recreate and see it after the fact exactly how you remember the moment (or want to remember it!), not just how the camera was able to capture it.
It’s a paradigm shift for photography. Can’t wait!
Steve
I’ve been looking for actual examples of focusing various depths in the photo, or like you described having forward elements in focus, mid elements out of focus, and deep elements in focus.
Have I missed such samples?
Also I read something about promotional videos. Where can I find those?
Thanks. Your product sounds exciting.
Steve
I did find the “examples” of changing the focus of different parts of the picture. I’d missed the “click to change focus” in the little green arrow in the lower right hand corner of the photo gallery shots.
But I notice that when I change the focus for one part, the previous focusing reverts back. So I guess I’m still looking for more.
Lytro
“having forward elements in focus, mid elements out of focus, and deep elements in focus” – yes, This is possible with light field technology, but not yet available from Lytro. This is just the beginning…
Nick
Really amazing! About how big are the photos and what kind of file type?
Thank you
checker
I would say: A NEW ONE
Roze
What’s the price range on one of these babies? And what will it look like? I’m really not sure what to expect.
A. Non
Instead of choosing a single focal plane, can you use the light field camera to “develop” a 2D image where every non-occluded point is in focus?
Steve H
As in an ‘infinite’ DOF? This is covered in the promo videos and yes, it’s possible.
A. Non
Please tell us something more about the Lytro camera! How much resolution does the sensor have? What is the focal length and fstop of the lens? In what format are the images saved?
Nate Johnson
Ssssseeriously?? “What is the focal length and fstop”? The answer you seek is:
Who cares?
Doesn’t matter!
Science, FTW!
rich
Nate, lots of people care, but I guess not you. Good Seth Rogen impersonation.
http://otroblogdefisica.wordpress.com drkztan
Who cares? Everyone who wants to buy a 500€+ camera cares, I tell ya.
Nate Johnson
:)
Actually, anyone wanting a Lytro camera won’t care…because the inherent nature of the Lytro camera concept is “there’s no focal length” and “there’s no f-stop”. It’s capturing the light field and these terms are no longer relevant, that’s what I was saying.
So… who cares? Not the Lytro camera!
Science FTW (still)!
TD
@nate, focal length will still be relevant as this gives you BOTH the magnification and the field of view of the image.
And although this camera will presumably allow one to shoot wide open, (as far as I can tell from their “Science Inside” link), this is still an aperture which in the end will still have an affect on the length of exposure.
For the people who understand photography these are constraints worth noting. Next time please don’t assume that everybody is as uninformed as you.
rich
Good questions, but I don’t think they are the right questions with this technology. I noticed in playing with the pictures in the gallery that the closer images seem to be more sharp than those farther away when you select a focus area. Therefore, there does seem to be some limitation to the focus range for a give capture. This is most likely related to the amount of data captured in the image (smaller for web display) and perhaps the actual camera will provide greater focus range in the post processing. This could also be the “megapixel” parameter that will determine camera tiers and pricing – the cheaper, pocketable point and shoot would provide a smaller depth of field image capture while the larger and more expensive form factors would provide greater image capability. I find it very interesting and can’t wait to see the first product.
Just_sayin’
So, Rich, when is that book of yours, “Camera Speak for Dummies” being published, anyway? Impressive commentary for sure! ;-)
checker
The pictures in the pictuure gallery are not real “living pictures” – Browser like Firefox, IE or Chrome can’t interpret the data those pictures have. That means to show you the effect they made a workaround. I don’t know if the effect (depends also on the software used at these photos) is better, worse or equal the showcase images – but i would lie if i would i don’t believe that the actual pictures and their focus-manipulation is much(!) more better than showed!
checker
there is a word missing – sry:
i would lie if i would SAY: i don’t ….
Sergio
You’re actually right, there is a focal length or rather a limit as to what depths can be digitally refocused. I’m actually reading Dr. Ng’s dissertation – not that I understand all of it, but it’s fascinating, and very well written – you’re a %$#! genius, Dr. Ng! What a shame your job listings don’t include a financial profile, I’d even consider leaving my beloved Europe for California…
Back to the subject, chapter 4 describes all about digital refocusing, how it works and its limitations… Chapter 4.3 “Theoretical Refocusing Performance” is what you want to read, page 60.
MIchael Levy
Questions:
How big is the camera? Dimensions
How much $$$?
When can I purchase one? I was just about to go out and buy a new camera to catch more pictures of my 5 year old. Can I get one before Christmas?
Steven M
I heard on a podcast that Lytro expects to have their first camera on the market later this year. So presumably before the Holidays. As for price, they only said that it would be “competitively priced” whatever that means.
http://IngridWagnerPhotography.com Ingrid A Wagner
I WANT THIS!!!!! This camera could put the fun back into photography.
Aaron
Hmmm… I think you’re on to something. Lytro = Funtography!
http://www.bradbrad.com Bradford Daly
Hi,
I’m a teacher at the Alabama Waldorf School and a photographer, and every day I take many dozens of photographs of children playing, learning, socializing. It’s a type of immersive, high-intensity street/documentary photography. Focus lag and focus failure often make the difference between successful photographs and failures.
If you’d like to see some of my work at the school, please look here:
I would love to field test a Lytro Light Field camera in my challenging photographic environment. Please let me know if Lytro is ever interested.
Best,
Brad Daly
Hmmm
Do your students or their parents know you’re publishing their photos on a publicly accessible blog? Sheesh, Alabamans…
slippy
Have you lost your mind? How irresponsible can you be? I wanted to find the address of your school just to show you how easy it could be and then I realized that there is a linked map along with this in your flickr page. I am a parent and I can guarantee you are not. I hate to get political but I can also gaurantee that you are a liberal who thinks the whole world is full of good natured people that just need a chance to prove themselves. I know this sounds a little drastic but it is a show of your
slippy
responsibility and you should be fired and never again allowed to photograph children. Do you not think you should have done a little research and posted your comment somewhere private? Like here “Check out our open positions and send a resume to jobs@lytro.com.” it wasn’t that hard. Instead you felt the need to pimp out your photographs at the total disregard of the childrens privacy. If my child were in one of those photos I would, see that you were fired. It is one thing to post the photos on the schools website but to post them on a public forum,along with maps and other searchable clues is just irresponsible. Is this not your schools motto?
Alabama
Waldorf
School
A community
dedicated
to educating
responsible
world citizens
Who made the Waldorf school the authorities on responsible world citizenship? Oh and what is it that you teach at Waldorf? Isn’t “extended care” a fancy phrase for babysitting until the kids are picked up?
Please next time think more of the children and less of the free camera.
P.S. I have to be honest and say that, you do take nice photos.
ml
I hate to get political, but you Americans are nuts.
Becca
Wow. Dude just shut up and go away.
code4life
slippy, please shut up. You’re totally overreacting. Don’t make assumptions, that just makes you look {removed}. Such as assuming permission has not been granted.
dtphotography
@slippy
It’s people like you that make me feel uncomfortable behind the lens when I’m in public places.
People like you are the reason I have been stopped and questioned on occasions while photographing a beautiful pasture, pond, tree, flower, etc off of the side of a country road, or even at a city park – suspected of “being a terrorist” or just “suspicious behavior.” If our nation’s collective mind continues down this road of fear and extreme hatred for other people’s differing opinions, ideas, political ideas and religions (oh, and also assumptions w/o giving any benefit of the doubt), then I am truly afraid of what the future might hold for these children.
itm
Squirrel!
User
Oh vicarious embarrassment…
George Klein
Typical American stupidity.
Rick
You hate to get political but then call someone a liberal and make sweeping generalizations? No, it seems just the opposite: you like getting political, calling names and making generalizations based upon a lack of evidence. While it might not be the best thing in the world to publish photos of children on a public web site, if doing so makes one a liberal then I guess churches that have photos of kids on their websites are a bunch of real bleeding hearts.
Cory
I would assume that all the parents of students in this school were made aware that the images of there kids could possibly end up on a website. It may be their only access to view those images. I have taught classes in different setting with children and the first thing that we do is have the parents sign a release stating that they agree to let us post images of their kids. Those who do not sign the release do not have their kids images posted.
Jimbob
Slippy seriously WTF? Rick is spot on. People like you LOVE to get political because you are right and everyone else is wrong and you can’t wait to express it. Statistically this is one of the safest times and places in human history to live. Here, I’ll make a sweeping generalization unsupported by factual data too. People like you are the real cause of violence in the world because you steep yourself and those around you in fear which can only lead to hatred and anger, which is the root cause of all violence. So please, go back to whatever bunker you crawled out from, flip on FOX news and shiver in fear of the world around you while the rest of us try to live by those kids example, and make an effort to enjoy life and appreciate the world we live in.
Brad your pictures look good. Tasteful, fun and interesting. A camera like this would be perfect for those action shots that are notoriously difficult to catch.
Conan
Jimbob is “spot on”! Great pictures.It’s so sad that you are being attacked by an extremist. Waldorf schools do seem to do a good job. My niece went there and ended up with a 4 year scholarship to UF. Keep up the good work.
joeseph
shut up you liberal jackass, go watch msnbc
Who??
Liberals??? Where??? Who??? How???
Would this be the text book definition of liberal? The Fox News definition? or the folks who freed the slaves, gave women the right to vote and the ones who made it so the police must have a legal reason to arrest you?
http://dangerismymiddlename.com Paul Danger Kile
Yeah, people are weird.
This person’s logic seems to be: “I think that I am a real conservative, and I would not have written this, therefore it must be the liberals.”
My first thought when I saw his complaining was: “Half the population {removed}.”
hogarth
I looked at the pictures in question. Why would ANYONE be concerned about these pictures appearing online or anywhere? Why reactions like slippy’s or hmmm’s? I don’t get it. They are perfectly innocent shots of kids – this isn’t kiddie porn.
You guys {removed}.
Kevin
Slippy gets the main point right, but then goes on {removed} who thinks everyone who disagrees with him about internet safety is wrong about everything. I hope this camera has a black and white mode for you, dude.
http://www.cmcintoshphoto.com Chris
This is the most ridiculous {removed] on the internet i’ve seen in a while.
Dr Fun
I must agree – America’s place in the world has fallen so much a continues to do so. Like – 27th in the world in science and similar for math? And the guy calling people “Liberals” is likely the Tea Party folks who think Sarah Palin is a genius; dinosaurs never existed and that government shoudl spend less money on the public education system. The future belongs to the people with the most education (and don’t have 2/3 of their population denoted as obese or “morbidly obese”. You yanks are getting fatter and stupider by the year and soon the rest of the world will only use you as beach balls and servants.
Lytro
Hey folks – as long as the discourse remains civil we’ll leave your post intact. Otherwise, expect some edits to your comments.
http://www.netgen360.com TS Elliott
Please do not remove these comments!! Reading this was the most fun I have had online in months!!! I would love to find the participants on twitter – @TS_Elliott
Lyng
I agree: this was probably the funniest and unexpected thread subject change I have seen in at least two years…
karl bauer
@ slippy:
You are a(n) hysterical {removed}. This obsession some people have with children, implying that ANY (even the most innocent) depiction of a kid is somehow suspect, wrong, evil, inappropriate, etc. is absurd on its face. Get a grip on reality.
S Rounds
As a professional DP (Director of Photography, retired from a major studio), I can see that this teacher is a very good photographer. I assume that he got the rights to put these photos his site. Instead of taking up unnecessary space on this blog with rants, why didn’t you just politely ask if the teacher had permission to put these shots up? Hold the numerous rants until you find out that he didn’t have permission.
I came to this blog to get more info on the camera, not to listen to ranter’s vents. Rants have ruined many blogs because most viewers have limited time to wade through them. I suggest the that the Lytros web-master stuff rants into a sub-folder, and not put them into the main blog.
Now to my question:
I can see that the Picture Gallery shots are somewhat low-res (compare them to the teacher’s shots). That’s probably why you’re coming out with the consumer version first. Any time-line for a higher-res sensor for professionals? Months later?…years later? I’ve got a shoot in China coming up in a year, and I would like to use this camera…but you’ve got to increase the res first….
Any way through software tweaks to get rid of the CA artifacts shown on some of the macro shots? BTW, the bokeh looks great!
And lastly, what happens with motion blur? Will a fast-moving race car still show motion-blur after I start adjusting FG-BG blur in post? If I pan with the car to blur the BG, will the BG blur be fixed, not there, or changeable?
Thanks.
http://dangerismymiddlename.com Paul Danger Kile
“why didn’t you just politely ask”
Sometimes people write things like that, because they want to anger people. It’s better to just ignore comments like that.
Mako
Nice work Brad. As you probably know, there are a number of tricks plus some “pro” knowledge that would help you get consistently good action shots. Think of your work as shooting sports and trying to capture the peak of action. If you are using a Point and Shoot style camera, typically there IS a Sports/Action setting, but one of the main things that slows down the response time of those type of cameras is their Auto Focus. Typically the Shutter Release on those cameras are a Two Stage affair. You can often get the camera to either pre-focus or at least have the Auto Focus activated by pushing the shutter button half way down. Once AF is active, a further push of the shutter quickly completes the picture taking sequence.
A lot of accomplished shooters like to shoot wide open so that there IS limited depth of field, concentrating the viewers attention on the in-focus subject matter. So if your camera has an Aperture Priority setting, use it. The camera will select a fast’ish shutter speed to help freeze the action, so that you don’t lose shots to motion blur.
Since the best camera is the one that you have with you, I often use something like a small light weight Panasonic LX-5 or Canon S-95 that offers a wide range of choices, a nice zoom ratio … with a WIDE wide angle … for those group shots, plus a FAST light sensitive lens so that I can shoot without having to boost the ISO to much. This gives one very nice quality in a small, easy to use package. These are often the Point and Shoot choices for pro shooters.
The BIGGEST contributor to ultimate quality is Sensor Size. There are a host of new large sensor cameras that maintain a small physical size and weight while offering up most of the advantages of traditional point and shoot cameras.
Check out DpReview, and their LEARN section, to keep up with developments. It’s an exciting time to be shooting!!!
btw. I once posted a public link to the photos of one of my son’s school plays. I couldn’t believe that some parents didn’t want to share my photos ?!?!?! All I know is that some of the most repressed people are the kinkiest and get into the most trouble with the escapades!
Keep up the good work, fellow Lytro subscriber
http://dangerismymiddlename.com Paul Danger Kile
Brad,
Your photos are amazing!
Thank you,
Paul Danger Kile
Jeff Weissman
How is this an improvement over either using a small f-stop, say f/16, or focus stacking, using a program such as Zerene stacker? I am interested in extreme macro photography and will consider this product if you can provide the entire field of view in focus rather than selective areas, as in your flower images in the gallery
Yann Vernier
It’s different precisely because it allows you to achieve both effects from one shot. Your small f-stop gets a long focus depth at the expense of light (and therefore exposure time). The focus stacking requires multiple images focused at different parts. If your goal is a full focus image, the advantage of the light field technology will be capturing moments better. A few pictures in the gallery demonstrate a new possibility, the reflections where things are superimposed. These can’t be merged into a single full-focus image.
Dimitri Katsaros
So… are you saying that in addition to selectable shallow focus in post, it is possible to generate deep focus images as well?
JMS
That’s the question that I came here to ask. I think that they answered that in the FAQ about “can you focus the whole picture?” They say that they’ll show that picture in their website samples some time later.
Frankly, I would have thought that getting rid of small f stops and/or stacking software would be there at the top of features that people are interested in, not something to be left as an after thought.
Lew Green
What is wrong with people? Are techno geeks totally disconnected from beer, pizza, belching and real life? Who cares about arcane advanced photo stuff? This camera could be a huge, massive, spectacular benefit to the regular “sureshot” touristy camera users which is most of the world. I don’t care about advanced photography and it _should_ be an afterthought. I care about not having so many blurry snap shots — especially when I catch my GF looking very sexy doing something around the house. I care about not getting so many blurry pics when i hand my little sony camera to a friend to catch me at an event. I care about not missing so many pics cause don’t have enough battery power left for the flash. I hope lytro is smart enough to be making a little sure shot cam with a fixed lens … and if they can bring out for under $300… god, i wish i could buy warrants on their stock! (of course, they’ll still succeed at $500, but a bit more slowly, as that will be more for affluent early adopters…)
anon
Good sentiment but this camera will only fix photos that are blurred because of incorrect focus not camera motion. I bet this will fix a lot of pics but not the party pics in low light with shaky hands.
http://dangerismymiddlename.com Paul Danger Kile
Zoom is important.
I take photos of motorcycle races. two-thirds of them I need to throw out, because my DSLR cannot focus quickly enough. If this camera can lower that even a little, then I really want it.
But if the motorcycles only take up a small amount of the photo, then cropping them will leave me with a too-low-resolution shot.
Anyway, that’s why I want to have replaceable lenses. I don’t need it to be an SLR. If the product is a point-and-shoot that can somehow use replaceable lenses from a small camera– four-thirds systems, come to mind, but anything might work– then that might be perfect.
The other techno-geeks may have similar extremes for their photos, whether that’s a long exposure for a special effect, or a true macro mode, or whatever.
If one of the early products fits-well, then I will probably only by lytro cameras from now on.
Mark
Dear Paul,
Your problem with “not focusing quickly enough” is not with your DSLR camera. To capture stop motion without blur, you need:
1. a faster lens
2. change drive mode to AI Servo (AF mode) focus
3. set to high speed continue shots
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